Author Topic: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?  (Read 3786 times)

Nigel

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,523
    • nigel rumsey photography
Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« on: September 24, 2016, 11:08:50 AM »
Hi, all I'm been looking for some time for a medium format camera that I can use for documentary work and for portraits. I love my Hassy but I just can't get on with it (I'm probably going to sell it if anyone's interested).

I saw a documentary on the youtube where the photographer, I can't remember her name now, was using the Mamiya 7 (or 711) and it seemed just what I needed. I know they're not cheap, I just wondered if anyone was using one and what they thought?
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

website

Aksel

  • Sheet Film
  • ****
  • Posts: 625
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2016, 11:39:12 AM »
I have had pretty much all the medium format cameras in that category to find out which one suited me the most.
Bronica RF, Mamiya 6mf, 7ii, Bessa 667, Makina 67, fuji ga645, fuji 690 i all variants and I must say, the Mamiya 7ii is hands down the "best" system.
Superb ergonomics, super easy in use, decent light meter, quiet shutter, superb lenses (not tested the 210mm but I had all the rest of them) If it´s anything to criticise it on it might be that the lenses are just "to perfect" and sharp as you know what.
My favorit lens is the Nikkor on the Makina 67 but the Makina is to noisy, have bad ergonomics and a very fragile light meter so, Mamiya all the way for me - combined with a Rolleiflex it´s all I really need in medium format.
Prosopopoeia, with a camera

zapsnaps

  • Sheet Film
  • ****
  • Posts: 730
  • Get Zapped!
    • http://www.NowSeeThis.co.uk
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2016, 12:01:09 PM »
Hi Nigel
I've never personally used one, but a chum swears by his and he has taken some stunning pictures with it. And after my 500, it felt light(-ish) in the hand and quite compact too. So it's small enough to throw into an ordinary shoulder or messenger bag without the need to take a dedicated camera bag, which for me, would be a distinct advantage over the Blad.
Nudes make the world go round
www.NowSeeThis.co.uk

Nigel

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,523
    • nigel rumsey photography
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2016, 01:18:40 PM »
Thanks guys.

You confirmed what I thought. Which is great, it also means I'm more likely to buy one - which is not so great!  ;)
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

website

hookstrapped

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,289
    • Peter Brian Schafer PHOTOGRAPHY
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2016, 02:13:15 PM »
I have the similar Mamiya 6 and really love it. It handles really well, great ergonomics, great lenses, quiet leaf shutters

Late Developer

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,033
    • My Website
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2016, 05:39:49 PM »
Nigel,

I had the Mamiya 7 + 43mm, 65mm and 150mm lenses for a few years.  I had an 80mm briefly but preferred the 65mm.  A few observations:

1 ) It looks like a kid's "my first camera" so people tend not to be too threatened by it. It occasionally attracts the right sort of interest from those in the know.
2 ) The lenses are stellar in terms of sharpness, lack of distortion and contrast.
3 ) The camera body is mostly plastic. I never had any problems with it but it isn't the sturdiest feeling camera, if I'm honest.  I doubt it's rain-proof.
4 ) The meter is very centre-weighted but fine, once you get used to it.  It's not like a modern, averaged system like you find on most SLRs.
5 ) It's a rangefinder.  You know this already but, as it doesn't have autofocus, you will need to pre-focus or learn to "anticipate", if you intend using it spontaneously on the hoof.
6 ) The lenses are (in relative terms) s l o w. Great results in good light but high ISO or pushed if indoors / low light.
7 ) The longer the lens, the smaller the bright lines appear in the viewfinder - therefore, the more difficult it is to focus longer lenses.  I had real issues with the 150mm as a spectacles wearer.
8 ) It's quite large (though not very heavy).  You'll need a big bag. Unlike the Mamiya 6, the lens won't collapse / recess into the body.
9 ) If you use a tripod, you'll need to either (a) buy the widget that separates the base plate from the tripod plate or (b) remove from the tripod / plate every time you want to change films (the "curtain" lever (used when changing lenses mid-film) / door opener is on the base plate and is a pain to deal with when the camera is tripod-mounted.
10 ) BIG and bright viewfinder. Great for right eye dominant but not so good for lefties....

Assuming you can live with its idiosyncrasies and slow lenses, you will love the photos you get with it.   I've tried to be objective but the best way is to try one.  If I was heading back to Mamiya, I'd look at a Mamiya 6 as I like square and it's more compact.
"An ounce of perception. A pound of obscure".

Nigel

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,523
    • nigel rumsey photography
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2016, 09:51:23 PM »
Hi Paul, thanks for that incredibly comprehensive answer. I should have come to you before I watched all those boring youtube reviews. I sometimes wonder if there's a camera you haven't owned at some point!  ;)

It's interesting what you say about the Mamiya 6. At one point I wouldn't even consider a MF camera that wasn't square, but I've really warmed to the 645 or 6 x7 proportions (I understand they're not quite the same, but you get my drift).

I'm very tempted by the Mamiya 7, I know it's sacrilege in these parts ("keep to the road stay off the moors", niche movie reference, anyone?) but I've also recently got used to the convenience of digital - dilemmas!

Thanks for your comments everyone.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

website

Francois

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,769
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2016, 10:18:46 PM »
You know, the Bronica RF is not something to sneeze at either. It's a 645 machine that's been used by some famous people.
It's build quality is irreproachable, lenses are very good too. And it's not as famous as the Mamiya so you might be able to get away with something a bit cheaper to buy and use (though I haven't checked the prices)
Francois

Film is the vinyl record of photography.

Late Developer

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,033
    • My Website
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2016, 10:28:25 PM »
Hi Paul, thanks for that incredibly comprehensive answer. I should have come to you before I watched all those boring youtube reviews. I sometimes wonder if there's a camera you haven't owned at some point!  ;)

I'm very tempted by the Mamiya 7, I know it's sacrilege in these parts ("keep to the road stay off the moors", niche movie reference, anyone?) but I've also recently got used to the convenience of digital - dilemmas!


Hi Nigel - loads I haven't owned (yet) - but I'm working on it...... ;)  I'd have a Mamiya 7 (or a 6) without hesitation - purely on image quality.  Charles Binns has a 6 and, if I remember rightly, Leon used to have one and regrets selling it. Just be prepared to use fast film.....

Film reference - seems to ring a bell: American Werewolf in London?
"An ounce of perception. A pound of obscure".

Nigel

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,523
    • nigel rumsey photography
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2016, 10:12:57 AM »
American Werewolf in London indeed, good work!
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

website

gsgary

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,249
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2016, 11:55:33 AM »
I wanted a Mamiya 7 but they were a bit too pricey so i went for the Fuji GW690III about the same size and very sharp lens, might be worth a look i got my immaculate one for £390


Nigel

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,523
    • nigel rumsey photography
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2016, 06:27:59 PM »
The Bronica and the Fuji are both good calls. I think I'd find the Fuji's fixed lens a little restrictive if that lens suits you they're a bargain. I might need to do a bit more research on the Bronica - that could be in the running.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

website

gsgary

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,249
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2016, 07:11:35 PM »
The Bronica and the Fuji are both good calls. I think I'd find the Fuji's fixed lens a little restrictive if that lens suits you they're a bargain. I might need to do a bit more research on the Bronica - that could be in the running.
Fuji do a wide version of the GW690

Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk


gsgary

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,249
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2016, 07:15:28 PM »
Oh heck I've just searched Bronica RF on ebay, I wish I hadn't looked I want one now what a lovely looking camera

Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk


Aksel

  • Sheet Film
  • ****
  • Posts: 625
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2016, 08:37:16 AM »
With the Bronica, remember it´s 4.5x6 - portrait orientation, if that makes any difference. For me it did, same with the film size. 6x7 is a lot larger than 4.5x6! Except that the Bronica is a superb little camera that feels very good in the hand. The advance failed on one of mine, heard it was a typical fault for the model, might be worth checking if the issue has been fixed.
Prosopopoeia, with a camera

SLVR

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,700
  • 100% Film
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2016, 03:32:12 PM »
I had the 7 then the 6 and settled with the fuji. Sizewise the fuji is much larger than either of the mamiyas.

You do have an option to get the G690 with removable and interchangeable lenses. I find the fuji much sturdier than the mamiya.

The mamiya is very plasticy and light. If dropped the body can crack. Something to note if you find mamiyas out there with cracks FS.

hookstrapped

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,289
    • Peter Brian Schafer PHOTOGRAPHY
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2016, 07:05:05 PM »
I had the 7 then the 6 and settled with the fuji. Sizewise the fuji is much larger than either of the mamiyas.

You do have an option to get the G690 with removable and interchangeable lenses. I find the fuji much sturdier than the mamiya.

The mamiya is very plasticy and light. If dropped the body can crack. Something to note if you find mamiyas out there with cracks FS.

I like all my cameras to weigh the same, Mamiya 6 or Rollei 35S or Minolta TC-1, whichever I pick up it's the same  :)


Nigel

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,523
    • nigel rumsey photography
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2016, 08:39:24 PM »

You do have an option to get the G690 with removable and interchangeable lenses. I find the fuji much sturdier than the mamiya.


I've just googled it and I've never seen the G690 before! How can there still be cameras out there that we've (I've) never heard of! Incredible!
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

website

SLVR

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,700
  • 100% Film
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2016, 09:26:20 PM »
I'm shooting with the G690 now. Its great to shoot with.

Another thing to note, I dont have the numbers in front of me but the M6 felt heavier and sturdier than the M7. I think because of the collapsing feature of the M6.


Late Developer

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,033
    • My Website
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2016, 03:13:24 PM »

You do have an option to get the G690 with removable and interchangeable lenses. I find the fuji much sturdier than the mamiya.


I've just googled it and I've never seen the G690 before! How can there still be cameras out there that we've (I've) never heard of! Incredible!

Agreed.  Mind you, I've only ever seen 2 G690s - they do seem quite rare - though Ffordes have a couple for sale, as well as a few variants.
"An ounce of perception. A pound of obscure".

Nigel

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,523
    • nigel rumsey photography
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2016, 01:44:23 PM »
So I've checked out all the options and I'm still coming back to the Mamiya 7.

One question I don't know if anyone who's used the camera can help with is regarding the difference between the 7 and the 7ii. The price is significantly different between the two, somewhere in the $500-600 range yet according to Camera-wiki the only difference is:

"The Mamiya 7II is a revision of the camera that has a improved finder that reduces glare, adds multiple exposure and a additional strap lug."

That really doesn't seem like six hundred dollars of difference! Is there something I'm missing?  ???
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

website

Francois

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,769
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2016, 02:08:07 PM »
From memory the glare problem was when shooting into the light. They added some baffles to fix that.
Francois

Film is the vinyl record of photography.

Late Developer

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,033
    • My Website
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2016, 04:48:57 PM »
Im not sure what the differences between the original and second versions are but I never had any issue at all with the original viewfinder.  It was very large and very bright with a good rangefinder "spot" for focusing. The price difference between the versions does seem high.  Have a word with Richard at Aperture as he knows his way round Mamiya 7 as well as anyone I know - and they sell them.....
"An ounce of perception. A pound of obscure".

Nigel

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,523
    • nigel rumsey photography
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2016, 08:38:41 PM »
Thanks Paul, from what I read the differences are fairly minor.

As at happens I was in Aperture yesterday. There was an unhappy customer, from what I got of the conversation he'd 'reserved' something by phone which had subsequently been sold to another customer by someone unnamed. It was all a little awkward!  :-[

No Mamiya 7's in sight though.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

website

Late Developer

  • Self-Coat
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,033
    • My Website
Re: Anyone using a Mamiya 7 / 711?
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2016, 11:12:59 AM »
Thanks Paul, from what I read the differences are fairly minor.

As at happens I was in Aperture yesterday. There was an unhappy customer, from what I got of the conversation he'd 'reserved' something by phone which had subsequently been sold to another customer by someone unnamed. It was all a little awkward!  :-[

No Mamiya 7's in sight though.

Nigel, the Mamiya 7s Aperture get don't hang around long. However, I'm not sure what your budget is or whether you're interested in the 43mm lens but there's one listed here:

http://wycameras.com/shop/mamiya-7-w-43mm-f4-5-finder/

which seems about par for the course for a user / good set up.  The 43mm is a brilliant lens but may be too wide for many.

Unless you can find one for sale privately, for a good example of a 7, you might pay (retail) something in the order of £1,100 with an 80mm lens and £100-ish more with the 65mm lens.  I loved the 65mm lens.

NOT with Aperture, but I recently lost out on an item I'd reserved on a camera company's website but that one of the staff had sold on their eBay site.  What made it worse was that I'd taken a day's holiday to go and collect it in person - with the intention of giving it a test-drive that day, to make sure it was in good order.  That's the joy of internet sales.  Who gets there first and does one member of staff make sure what they sell is take the item off the website and any other auction sites.  It happens - but it is infuriating when you're on the (non) receiving end...
"An ounce of perception. A pound of obscure".