Topic: Kono film?

[astrobeck]

http://shop.lomography.com/en/kono-rotwild-400-135-rs-3pack

the lomo folks are at it again, making something out of something else...Any ideas what this film really is...

[Indofunk]

Looks like a redscaled film, right? But how can it be rated at 400? It would have to be stupidly fast color film to be rated at 400 redscaled...

[Bryan]

Couldn't you get the same effect with filters?

[Francois]

We'd really need to get the DX code number to really know what it is...

[Late Developer]

Couldn't you get the same effect with filters?

Yes - but that probably wouldn't be regarded as quite so "kool" 

Also, have you seen the price?  £24 for 3x24 exp rolls.  It will stay on the shelves as far as I'm concerned.

[charles binns]

Couldn't you get the same effect with filters?

Yes - but that probably wouldn't be regarded as quite so "kool" 

Also, have you seen the price?  £24 for 3x24 exp rolls.  It will stay on the shelves as far as I'm concerned.

Looks like a rip off.

[Late Developer]

Couldn't you get the same effect with filters?

Yes - but that probably wouldn't be regarded as quite so "kool" 

Also, have you seen the price?  £24 for 3x24 exp rolls.  It will stay on the shelves as far as I'm concerned.

Looks like a rip off.

Charles, as you know all too well, I'm an old fuddy-duddy traditionalist and I really don't "get" redscale or other film that doesn't deliver something that resembles what the scene looked like in colour, or a tonal representation in B&W - and charging that amount just seems excessive.

[charles binns]

Couldn't you get the same effect with filters?

Yes - but that probably wouldn't be regarded as quite so "kool" 

Also, have you seen the price?  £24 for 3x24 exp rolls.  It will stay on the shelves as far as I'm concerned.

Looks like a rip off.

Charles, as you know all too well, I'm an old fuddy-duddy traditionalist and I really don't "get" redscale or other film that doesn't deliver something that resembles what the scene looked like in colour, or a tonal representation in B&W - and charging that amount just seems excessive.

I don't get it either to be honest.   For me redscale is just an excuse to take a sh*t photo  and call it art all because it is reddish.

[Terry]

Yes, but it says 'Lomo' on the box!!!!!!!

They say it's motion stock--must be 5219 flipped to redscale.  Native ISO is 500, but eminently pushable so maybe that's how they get away with a 400 rating.

[Indofunk]

Yes, but it says 'Lomo' on the box!!!!!!!

They say it's motion stock--must be 5219 flipped to redscale.  Native ISO is 500, but eminently pushable so maybe that's how they get away with a 400 rating.

I was thinking that either Lomo insists on developing your rolls in-house, and pushes it 2-3 stops, or it could simply be a weird, slow color stock that just comes out red when underexposed. I had a roll of incredibly old, expired Ektachrome that I accidentally underexposed by about 2 stops and it came out looking like it was redscaled.

[Indofunk]

Charles, as you know all too well, I'm an old fuddy-duddy traditionalist and I really don't "get" redscale or other film that doesn't deliver something that resembles what the scene looked like in colour, or a tonal representation in B&W - and charging that amount just seems excessive.

Interestingly, I am quite the opposite. I figure, I see the world in "perfect" color with my own eyes for about 12 hours a day every day of my life, so why should I take pictures of it looking like that? I'd rather have something that messes with the colors in a weird way that maybe makes me see things I didn't see. Or maybe it's all the psychedelics I took as a kid    [I didn't take that many psychedelics ]

I do agree on the price though. I can redscale my own damn film for a lot cheaper.

[Francois]

Couldn't you get the same effect with filters?

Well, I have to say yes and no...
The thing with redscaled film is that because the film gets exposed backwards, light passes through the different filtration layers in a reverse order. This is what makes the results look weird.

In a normal situation, light that hits the film goes through a Protective layer, UV Filter, Blue light sensitive layer, Yellow filter, Green light sensitive layer and a Red light sensitive layer.
But in a redscaled film, light goes through the film in the following way:
Film base (orange), Subbing layer, Red light sensitive layer (which it gets plenty of because of the orange mask), Green light sensitive layer (which it gets very little of), Yellow filter and finally the Blue light sensitive layer.

So you get a red image with odd looking yellows and blues.

The problem with this process is that it's really hard to do properly. But when it works, it's just fantastic.

[astrobeck]

All I know, is that I'm in the wrong business.
I should be re-rolling film for a living.....

[Francois]

We all probably should...
But on the other hand, business wise you still have to sell the stuff in sufficient quantity to make a decent living...