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Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« on: August 20, 2015, 12:10:14 PM »
It's probably safe to assume most of us like acquiring and using new "stuff" - at least "new to us" stuff.

However, if you're looking for new cameras, lenses, tripods and other gizmos, do you look for new / as new / mint condition or are you happy with a functioning / user condition piece of kit?  Maybe you delight in something that will be a "project" to build, repair or restore?
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2015, 12:18:47 PM »
I really don´t mind as long as it´s working / fixable by yours truly. I tend to prefer well used stuff that I don´t have to treat like a baby. I`m no collector but love to try stuff out myself to make up my mind about it.
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2015, 12:56:45 PM »
I prefer to buy second hand but in as near mint condition as possible.  I used to be happy to buy cameras off ebay but had a bad experience so now will only buy off a reputable dealer.

I don't like fixing/repairing/tinkering with stuff, just using it. 

That being said I now have all the cameras I'll want for a while yet so am not planning to buy anything new.  In fact I am in the process of selling a number of cameras and lenses that I no longer use and I'll reinvest the proceeds in dark room equipment.

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2015, 02:11:08 PM »
Not a collector per se, but I do like a rebuild/refurbish project.  I like working with wooden view cameras best--it uses my woodworking skills and they're wonderful cameras to shoot. 

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2015, 02:17:10 PM »
I do prefer a cleaner one, but I then use it, not baby it. Very price dependant.

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2015, 02:25:46 PM »
I tend to have a two sided approach to this.
On one hand, I like my stuff pristine. Even the cameras I use most barely have a scratch so I do like to buy cameras that are minty or at least fully refurbished.
But then, if the price is really good, I will sometimes spring for a camera that needs some TLC. This was the case with my two Minoltas. But the price definitely has to be right.
I don't mind a bit of brassing but not deep gouges or deep bumps.
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2015, 02:27:15 PM »
I have quite a few bruised items, but whatever part is critical has to be good.  I picked up a viewfinder for the Blad a few months ago - perfect glass, though the outside looked as though it had rolled down Cheddar Gorge a few times.

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2015, 03:30:29 PM »
If it's modern kit (e.g. my Nikon F6) and it's motorised / auto-focus, I always go for the best and newest condition possible - ideally with a 6 month or year guarantee.  This, as you've probably guessed, is because this type of kit is usually the most expensive and most brittle and I don't want to have to be forking out endlessly for repairs and servicing if I bought a rough and battered example.

However, for old(er) manual focus kit, I'm a bit more relaxed and happy to have something that has obvious signs of use from previous owners - but it has to work flawlessly or be so cheap that getting someone to make it work is financially viable.  I've just had the broken slow shutter speeds fixed on an otherwise fine - if very brassy - Nikon FM2N.

Sadly, I have next to zero mechanical dexterity and insufficient confidence to attempt to take stuff to bits because I know i'd have no idea (a) how to spot what isn't working, (b) how to fix it and (c) how to put it all back together again.
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2015, 04:01:20 PM »
My preference is working, clean optics and not on the verge of not working

As above, my EOS cameras are the best I could find (if you want an EOS 1 or 3 you want one from an amateur, not a pro) but I have other cameras I use more but are in worse cosmetic condition

I do have a couple of nice looking bodies with shutter or other issues, these are going on eBay at some point

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2015, 04:10:05 PM »
I have an addiction for buying non-working kit. Just this week I've received a Contax 159 and a baby Rolleiflex. A quick count up makes them numbers 16 and 17 in the queue to be fixed (though the Rolleiflex will probably jump to the front of the queue). I have no need for any more working cameras, I've got what I need, but the 'I can fix that and sell it' mentality gives me an excuse to buy more stuff.

As for stuff I do actually use, it just has to work.
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2015, 05:42:34 PM »
Like most of the responses so far I prefer mint but will take something that looks rough if the price is right.  I can do minor repairs so a non-working camera doesn't scare me too much.  One thing I like about a rough looking camera is I'm not afraid to take it hiking or on a trip where it may get dinged up a bit.  I have two Rolleiflex TLR's, the one that gets used most is not the mint looking one.   

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2015, 07:51:46 PM »
Most camera's I get my hands on are below €25,- so if it's working it's fine with me. About a year ago I sourced a EOS33 in prestine condition for just €11,- but a complete Mamiya RB67 set was a lot more but also in mint condition so. I wouldn't mind a set of gear that looked a bit more tatty.
Normally I give em a wipe wih some alcohol wipes, get all the finger grease of it, so I don't mind a well used camera as long as it's working. i don't do spares or repair, haven't got the patience for that.

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2015, 08:02:37 PM »
As lawyers love to say, 'that depends'.

My Blad has been very used by the previous owner(s) - but that's its charm. It was bought for its capabilities, rather than condition. But my Werra 1 (about £20) was pristine and it had to be - I think it's a beauty and I wanted it mint. Same with my Petri Racer (also about £20). I wanted one with RACER on the front and clean, so I waited for it. At those sort of price levels, it's only a few pound more for a mint example, so that's what I go for.

Having said that, if I ever went for a Leica M, I may well go for a brassed one. But that choice is also aesthetic - those in the know will nod and drool. My mother would just think it 'tatty' and my father would say it needed 'a lick of paint'. But part of the pleasure of ownership is being in the know.

I recently went to Avebury (as I couldn't make the official FW weekend) and took the Blad. I got endless admiring glances and a few comments, or rather, the camera did. But I bought it 'lightly rallied' for about £500 with 2 backs and 2 lenses - far less than many of the DSLRs that were walking around. But it was the very used Blad that got the attention. So sometimes, it's the aesthetics of the machine, rather than the condition of it, which people like. Or make them run for cover, as  when The Beast (aka Omega Rapid) is taken into crowded places.
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2015, 08:10:50 PM »
Sandeha, if you roll down Cheddar Gorge do you end up in Wensleydale?

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2015, 08:51:35 PM »
I know that apart from my second camera which I bought new in 1993, the most I've ever spent on a used camera is 150$ (for my D90x with the lens).
Average price I pay for gear is in the 15-30$ range.
Lowest price ever paid for a camera: 0.50$ for a really damaged Hi-Matic which I had to repair with a hammer and a wooden dowel... it looks like it's been dropped from the Empire State Building but somehow has incredibly smooth focus and works flawlessly...
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2015, 09:41:01 PM »
Sandeha, if you roll down Cheddar Gorge do you end up in Wensleydale?

Rolling down hill can be dangerous, Terry.  So you gotta do it Caerphilly.   :)

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2015, 11:05:13 PM »
I must admit that I like my cameras to be good looking, but it depends a bit on the price. If I'm looking for an expensive camera like the Zeiss Ikon RF then I'm prepared to spend a little extra to get one that is near mint. Usually I just bide my time and wait for a good looking example at the right price to come along. I don't do much repair work unless it is fairly easy. I wouldn't dare to start fixing a lens or a shutter, I'm afraid I would end up with surplus parts!
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2015, 03:17:31 AM »
My camera purchasing priorities are:

1) Complete
2) Cheap
3) Functional
4) Pretty

As long as all the parts are there, I'm OK with it. I've probably bought more broken cameras than working ones; most of them work now. And they're cheaper when they're broken and/or ugly (witness my $30 Rolleiflex). Having reasonably clean optics is a plus, but that's rarely been much of an issue in my experience.

That said, I like a nice shiny camera sometimes, especially if it's a piece of quality engineering, but the beat-up ones are easier to acquire and almost always have more character.
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2015, 09:24:51 AM »
cheap beaters for me. or just holding out for a good deal like that olympus mju ii and yashica gx, both cameras I've been eyeing for years and suddenly got the chance to purchase for silly money.

though if I buy something not just for fun or gearlust but for actual use then I'll be sure to get a guaranteed functioning piece from a seller with good rep, for those I'll probably be hunting for anything buy now instead of auctions too.



....haha a bit slow at work here so I listed the cameras I could think of on the top of my head that I have

I was suprised at the amount of gifted cameras though when I think about it, I tend to hold on to gifted cameras but stuff sourced in other ways come and go a bit more
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2015, 05:58:30 PM »
Your chart looks suspiciously like a wheel of cheese, Jonas.  Gotta take some shots of cheese so we can "cheese bomb" bad puns.  Better ask Ed for Parmesan first, though.

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2015, 08:59:58 PM »
Better a wheel of cheese than a wheel of fish  :o
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2015, 10:37:10 PM »
Oh my.

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2015, 01:32:12 AM »
I generally lean toward the mintier examples. I did buy a Pentax 6x7 with a jammed shutter (the camera was also partially disassembled) and repaired it successfully. I've been known to buy cameras in original boxes, too (Olympus XA, Nikon 35Ti).

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2015, 06:42:39 AM »
I don't mind well used cameras with few scratches and bumps, but I am not a fan of cameras with a sticky layer of 20 years sweat and fast food residue.

In this respect I bought a Linhof Technika V quite cheap recently. But when I sent it to the Linhof service for repair, they told me they have to machine one part because they don't have it on storage any more. So the final cost I will end up with is probaly around the same as a minty camera would have been + it is at the repair shop for 4 months now.

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2015, 07:27:15 AM »
Used is fine as long as it works as needed.  :)
i will replace seals and the mirror bumper, and a few other minor things like cleaning...but that's really about it.

I have a couple of cameras that look like they've been through boot camp!
My F2, that was a hand me down from my husband and he got it second hand.

It has brassing and looks rough, but I figure no one could love it like I do, and I do love it!

Also, I have thought that while traveling, a rough looking camera is less likely to get lifted by some sticky fingered hoodlum.


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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2015, 02:43:09 PM »
I saw a bunch of old cameras at a street fair (they belonged to a photographer who was using them for display) and found out what I don't like in some cameras!
Hers were covered with that grimey dust that looks like decomposing leatherette... I just wouldn't leave any of my cameras in such a state!
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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2015, 01:56:52 AM »
Always old/used/"vintage"/etc. Applies to musical instruments and to cameras (and also to color film). I'm willing to buy a non-working item if I figure I can fix it up (read: send it to a qualified repair person :) ) for less than the price of that item if it were working. I quite like old equipment, and have no desire for new stuff. Bonus is that if there's enough scratches and dents in it, I can manhandle it all I want and I'll never notice! :D

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Re: Shiny and New or Battered and Brused?
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2015, 07:40:40 PM »
I'm definitely of the "working condition is far more important to me than pristine looks" variety. I tend not to treat my gear with kid gloves so even if it starts out mint, it's not likely to remain that way for long.