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Exporting out of iPhoto/Aperture
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:12:52 PM »
What was I thinking?? Over the years I imported tens of thousands of images into iphoto and did not keep a separate, well organized, folder-based film archive.* To be clear, I did have multiple backed-up copies of my iphoto library but nothing that was that human searchable.

To make matters worse I:
  • had done a lot of editing within iphoto/ & aperture**
  • within iphoto was tagging and geotagging the hell out of everything

After many hours of work I have exported stuff out, preserving my tagging and geotagging (not as simple as you think given that none of these Digital Asset Management Systems are not imbedding this metadata in the files but in a companion database). And I managed to do it creating a nice human readable folder structure.

If anyone is interested on what I did and the tools I used, let me know and I will post my rambling notes  ;) Despite how I said it took a lot of time, I think I figured out a fairly reasonable workflow.

BTW#1, now all images are tagged and geotagged and stored in folders before copied into iphoto
BTW#2, I am a geographer by training and we like screwing around with metadata

*Also, in my defense as to why I did this, I started my iphoto library a dozen years ago when was a) a total apple-fanboi, b) in a less passionate phase of my life as a photographer, and c) younger and dumber. I then created a workflow that was hard to break out of.
**I stopped doing this quite a while ago but did have many hours of editing invested in my iphoto/aperture library.
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Re: Exporting out of iPhoto/Aperture
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2014, 05:21:09 PM »
Sounds like useful information for an Article if you're so inclined. I'm sure someone out there will find it useful. I don't use iPhoto much outside of my Photo Stream, but I do have some older images in my iPhoto library...though not too many with location data in them.

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2014, 10:00:03 PM »
Hasn't Apple made an export tool to convert it all to Lightroom?
I know I read that somewhere a while ago...
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2014, 10:42:04 PM »
Haha Apple would never do that as they do not want you to start using a competitor's product. Also apple (as usually for them) are claiming that the replacement of iPhoto (called Photos) will be as good as Aperture. I am dubious of this but instead of finding a new Digital Asset Management tool, I want to just organize my files using metadata. If everything has metadata burned into it I can find the files with simple searches from a variety of platform independent tools. 

Now Adobe had described some workflows but really if you wanted to do it right you would basically need to go through the hoops I went through. Adobe's current workflow for example does not preserve tagging and geotagging. Plus you cannot bring in both the original and modified copies. http://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/help/import-iphoto.html

Even if there was a magic way to do it (preserving my tagging and movies files) I would not want to go with Lightroom as it still does not imbed the metadata into the files. There are logical reasons to do this in this manner (which is why apple and adobe and others have a database to store the metadata). But i really don't want to do rely on a Digital Asset Management tool.

For the hell of it, I can clean up my notes toy self and post them.
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Re: Exporting out of iPhoto/Aperture
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 07:22:50 PM »
>Over the years I imported tens of thousands of images into iphoto and did not keep a separate, well organized, folder-based film archive.
I use Aperture and as far as I know it and iPhoto use the same library format. In which case your photos *are* stored in an well organised, folder-based archive. The iPhoto/Aperture library basically stores them in a simple year/month/day structure which is pretty much how I think I would organise photos if I was to do it manually.

I'm not knocking your efforts - they are your photos and you have your own requirements - but thought I should point this out in case other Mac users panic at the thoughts of their photos being unattainable.

For those of us with the ability to hack a bit of xml, the metadata about the photos is maintained in a parallel folder structure in xml files, so it is easy to find which xml file of metadata belongs to which photo.

Personally I'm looking forward to the new Photos app to see what it offers. Shouldn't be too long now.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2014, 07:41:23 PM »
Ya I saw that but never tried it as I had already decided I did not want to move to another Asset Management tool but to become independent of one*. It also looks like it would not do one thing I wanted, which is to have all my original files and any copies that I had modified within iphoto or aperture. This was a bit difficult to do and is explained in that overly long note I wrote  ;)

I have posted my insanely long notes on how I migrated out, BTW, in the Articles section.

*I will still likely use iphoto but have it be an ancillary copy to my well tagged image directory.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2014, 08:41:53 PM »
I'm on a PC and I never really liked the huge database that Lightroom requires. I eventually settled on Picasa for 99% of my image management requirements.
I'll be the first to admit that there are some features in Lightroom that are really nice, but I like the simplicity of the other. Just folders and .ini files. Couldn't be simpler (and simpler always equals reliable).
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Re: Exporting out of iPhoto/Aperture
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2014, 09:10:03 PM »
>Over the years I imported tens of thousands of images into iphoto and did not keep a separate, well organized, folder-based film archive.
I use Aperture and as far as ,I know it and iPhoto use the same library format. In which case your photos *are* stored in an well organised, folder-based archive. The iPhoto/Aperture library basically stores them in a simple year/month/day structure which is pretty much how I think I would organise photos if I was to do it manually.

I'm not knocking your efforts - they are your photos and you have your own requirements - but thought I should point this out in case other Mac users panic at the thoughts of their photos being unattainable.

For those of us with the ability to hack a bit of xml, the metadata about the photos is maintained in a parallel folder structure in xml files, so it is easy to find which xml file of metadata belongs to which photo.

Personally I'm looking forward to the new Photos app to see what it offers. Shouldn't be too long now.

This is getting kind of nerdy, and soon someone like Leon is gonna tell us to 'take this outside' as we are not talking about film enuff  ;) (I'd argue tho that file management if more important for film than digital as at least digital has EXIF data.)
Obviously no one should panic (in fact probably you, Francois and myself may be the only ones that care, haha). But a few points:

#1) We both agree that it is a good idea to have your images accessible somewhere in a manner that makes sense to you, even if you use a Digital Asset Management System (DAMS) such as iphoto, aperture, or lightroom. If the DAMS's library's folder structure makes sense to you, thats fine. In fact both Aperture and Lightroom (and I think Picassa) let you use your own 'human readable' folder structure and merely alias or reference those files within the library. This is probably the best of both worlds. It is more of a problem when one uses iPhoto which imports the images into its folder structure because then you are locked into iPhoto's folder structuring conventions. I started with iPhoto and it was difficult for me to migrate everything out and use Aperture with my own folder structure. For me the iphoto method of naming the directory structure just does not work. Yes it is sorted by year/month/day but the Event name is not included in any of the folder names. And it is a bit too nested for my liking.  It is no where near how my brain wants the folders arranged, and I do not find it easily browsable at all. (YMMV)



#2) A huge problem is that the files are organized by the file modification date not the date the images were shot. One can easily add this metadata us before importing it into iphoto or by iphoto can do it. No matter how you do it, the files will not be filed by this date but by the file creation date (the date scanned or last modified). As I am often scanning negs that are decades old, this is a deal breaker to me.

#3) I know that the metadata is accessible in these apps if one can parse XML. I have done that on occasion. I also understand that when you are modifying and tagging thousands of files that it makes most sense programmatically to separate the metadata out. But I want the metadata incorporated into the header of the jpegs. I like the application/platform independence this gives me. As an example if my files have the metadata burned into them I can search within the finder and not even start iphoto. For example, what pics of frodo do I have? ;-)



#4 Lastly, I am a Mac nerd and have been one for a long time, but I am getting to be an old, cranky, jaded Mac nerd so I am awaiting the arrival of "Photos" with my arms crossed. If you want to know how I became a cranky and jaded mac administrator, I guess you should PM me as it has zero to do with analog film, haha
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2014, 09:23:56 PM »
I'm on a PC and I never really liked the huge database that Lightroom requires. I eventually settled on Picasa for 99% of my image management requirements.

I kind of liked Picasa. I used it for a while when I wanted a cross platform package and before lightroom came out. Yes it was nice and simple and had a small footprint. I also liked that (like the big boys "Aperture" and "Lightroom") it works with your folder structure. For me that is important - and I understand not everyone is as OCD as I am  ;) :o ::)
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2014, 10:16:44 PM »
I've come to a point where no single program really does the job, so I end up with many that I have to run sequentially.
The good thing about Picasa is that you can move the actual files directly in it, not just an alias like Lightroom used to do (well, it could move the files but it's a bit of a drag). So, for file sorting Picasa wins it for me. Though I would really like if they added 16 bit processing and include Snapseed with it.

My usual workflow is usually Scan with Epson Scan and save to the desired folder, open AnalogExif to add the metadata I want and then open Picasa which scans my folder and adds everything automatically.

If it comes from my instant scanner (a cheap thing I got at a rummage sale for 5$ that works good enough for a lot of things) or from my d******, then I import using Picasa (I tell it to put things in the right folder as I separate my cameras), then I add the tags using AnalogExif while picasa is open. It instantly updates the tags as they get changed so that I'm ready to go in a flash.

And for backups, I have Cobian Backup set to do a copy of the files everyday at the same time. If my backup server is off, the backup just aborts without any drama.

I'm pretty proud to be only using free and open source software for 99% of what I do :)
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Re: Exporting out of iPhoto/Aperture
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2014, 01:56:05 PM »
Dear oh dear oh dear.
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2014, 02:36:33 PM »
Dear oh dear oh dear.

Well that took long enough ;-)
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2014, 02:40:49 PM »
Ignore The Druid. He's only doing it for effect. None of the above really applies to me on a specific level given that I'm not an Apple person (they lost me at iTunes), but being someone who also "likes to screw around with metadata" (I'm an IT guy), the situation is something I can relate to on a general level. Thanks for taking the time to explain and discuss.

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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2014, 03:21:34 PM »
I just discovered a program called GeoSetter that allows you to add the geo location inside the exif tags. It's also freeware and fairly easy to use... though I would have simplified things a bit.
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