Topic: Filmwasting 8mm style...

[Skorj]

Shall I, or shall I not? Too many fun things too little time...

Add this:
http://fujifilm.jp/personal/film/8mm/index.html

to this, and what fun you could have. But how would it look on You Tube?



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[beck]

Get it! Yikes, it may cost you a days pay to get that film into production afterwards. Very cool toy to play with indeed. What to shoot!?

Does yours take the PX-14 2.7V or 13 battery? Which are almost impossible to find. They are, but what a chore and probably pricey. Lots of hackabilities here no doubt. That is a smart looking camera. I'm sure you know people who have the necessary accessories like splicers, projectors, the works. There are online places to send your film and I imagine a weeks pay for service even then. Do you know the degree of difficulty you are getting into??! Haha. Just kidding and good ruck. You can always cut your film and make diptichs....or something.

Here's a Kodak Instamatic M6 8mm I've had for a while now...nothing special and rad like yours is, never used, with film still sealed up and....well, not so fresh. If you want it, it's yours to have...for free! After shipping and handling.

...that is just a crappy picture I took of it...forgive me....yawn.

[Ailsa]

Ohhhhh, you absolutely SHOULD. If you need any further inspiration, please take a look at my lovely friend Matt's website http://www.idlevice.com. He's a very talented film maker who uses 8mm a great deal. Scroll down to Wee Three (about half way down) and click on the link to watch it. I know it wasn't filmed in 8mm, but it's just a lovely little film.

The Audible Picture Show will bring you hours of fun, too...

Happy weekend!

[Karl]

Ailsa Ailsa you could have warned me! I just opened the site and my PA walked in with a cuppa. Now trying to persuade her it's art...Reminder to self, don't do too much filmwastingdotcom at work

[Ailsa]

Oops – sorry! I'm so used to that homepage it didn't occur to me to issue a warning! 

[filmwast]

8mm  yes!  do it brother skorji

8mm goodness spliced with more modern stuff here

quality tuneage as well.
http://www.nathgreen.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/audio_video.htm#
if that link doesnt work

http://www.nathanielgreen.co.uk/  then to audio.video  -tour video

lovely

[Francois]

Feels kind of weird to see this post after trying all day yesterday to extract some old images from a 1950's Double-8 film...
I never realised that these images were in fact so small
The pictures were taken by my grandfather using a nice Bolex...
It always amazes me to see the quality that went in both these cameras and their films.
I heard a while back that Kodak stopped producing 8mm.
There are only a very few places that still process it (and it obviously costs an arm and a leg)

If you have the guts and quite a bit of spare change, do give the camera a try. The results are often quite spectacular.
I know FilmRescue still processes them and sends them back with a DVD... a very nice touch.

Good luck with the camera Skorj.

[formica]

i think kodak stopped making super 8 kodachrome. i think standard 8 isn't in production anylonger, but super 8 is. take a look:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/s8mm/index.jhtml

  i haven't processed super 8 in quite awhile, but i don't think the cost of processing it has gone up that much. there are festivals held in some places devoted to just super 8.

  oh, and i just found this site all about super 8 that looks almost like super8 for the filmwasters set:

                                http://homepage.mac.com/onsuper8/


                     william

[Francois]

I didn't realise there was still a cult following when it comes to the format!
I know 16mm is still widely used for ski movies... but 8mm...wow

I know I just love the raw feeling it gives the films, better than the overdone 35mm.
I also love the fact that they can be silent. The sounds on most camcorder-made home movies is what disturbs me the most.
I don't like hearing the zoom working, people behind the camera saying "move to the left a bit" and all the useless noise around.
Would Andy Warhol's movies be as good with the sound? I don't think so.

Too bad it isn't used more.

For the last 2 weeks, we have a new TV show on Provincial Television where they show home movies filmed on mostly 8mm. The movies were collected over a 12 year period and transfered to video while people waited. Lets just say it's a blast to watch! Very nostalgia oriented. I think nothing tells the story of the people better than these home movies!
For those interested in watching the first 4 minutes of each show, I will post the links. You don't have to speak the language to appreciate the images.

The first show was about childhood
Second show, not as good, was about religion
Third show (which will air Wednesday) will be about work

If you enjoy them, I can post the links for future shows as they become available.

[Tammy]

I have an old 16mm Bolex.  I don't know how to use it, but I do think it works.  Aside from the projection and editing end, I would love to just throw a roll of bw high speed anything through the thing.  Viewing it is another matter, but I have looked around and found some projection equipment relatively cheap.  But, if I can't figure out the camera, I really won't be able to figure out the projectors  .  I should have been born about 30 years ago.

[Francois]

I have an old 16mm Bolex.  I don't know how to use it, but I do think it works.  Aside from the projection and editing end, I would love to just throw a roll of bw high speed anything through the thing.  Viewing it is another matter, but I have looked around and found some projection equipment relatively cheap.  But, if I can't figure out the camera, I really won't be able to figure out the projectors  .  I should have been born about 30 years ago.

Projectors are fairly easy to set up. For cameras, you have to follow instructions. On my Grandfather's Bolex (Double 8mm), there is a set of arrows in the film chamber to indicate the path to follow to thread the film properly.
The film chamber opens with a key lock. Pull half of the ring up and twist in the right direction. You put the spool in, pull a length of film across the film gate and thread on the other spool. Not much harder than a Holga

I wonder if your Bolex is the battery powered type or wind-up type like mine?

If it's a wind up, you crank it a few turns, open the film cover and hold the button down. You will see the spool turn and hear a repeating whirring-clicking sound (the spinning shutter)

Hope it helps...

[Tammy]

Francois-

  It's very old.  An H16, and windup.  I have turned it without film (hopefully not damaging anything with a slow rate) and it does advance when I push the button.  The 2 lenses I have are not those I would think were original.  They are both Wollensaks.  Do you use yours??

I assume I have to load it in darkness.  This is the tricky part?  I have opened everything and looked inside. I have a simple manual, but haven't really understood it.  That's my problem sometimes, I'm more tempted to just get a dummy roll and start playing.

I'm the type that can't figure out a bulk loader.  I love taking things apart and can't get them back together.

Maybe you can help me off-line?

Tammy

[formica]

tammy,

   you might look at these instructions here:

          http://www.rit.edu/~crbpph/load.html

 for loading the bolex. not sure it'll solve all your problems, but hopefully it'll help you to get it loaded. apparently you don't have to load it in the dark.

                                           william

[Francois]

Francois-

  It's very old.  An H16, and windup.  I have turned it without film (hopefully not damaging anything with a slow rate) and it does advance when I push the button.  The 2 lenses I have are not those I would think were original.  They are both Wollensaks.  Do you use yours??

I assume I have to load it in darkness.  This is the tricky part?  I have opened everything and looked inside. I have a simple manual, but haven't really understood it.  That's my problem sometimes, I'm more tempted to just get a dummy roll and start playing.

I'm the type that can't figure out a bulk loader.  I love taking things apart and can't get them back together.

Maybe you can help me off-line?

Tammy

You usually don't have to load them in the dark, just subdued light. Light will leak around the first 3-4 rolls of the spool and the rest is safe (just like in my Nikon when the back broke). This doesn't pose any problem since you have a long starting leader that is needed to thread the projector.

The H16 has been made until 1980 and is the staple of ski movie photography (Warren Miller still uses them for all his movies). They offer superlative quality and are incredibly reliable.

Don't worry about the lenses being Wollensak. The lenses are usually sold separately when you buy a movie camera. Wollensaks are great quality and are better known for making lenses for the Graflex cameras.

For opening, mine has a key with the letters F-O written on it (for Fermer-Ouvrir... the Paillard-Bolex company is Swiss so many things are written in French), no screwdriver needed.

As for using my camera... I have never put film through it since the format it uses is hard to find (Double-8).

If you want more info on your H16, check these out:
History of the Bolex H16
http://www.bolex.co.uk/
Bolex International SA (manufacturer's site)
H16 Instructions

[Tammy]

Thanks! 

Inspiration for all.  Love film!

[Francois]

You're welcome.