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« on: August 24, 2011, 10:04:36 PM »
So,after listening to Ed and Leon I hack the back of the CCII, taking out the top and bottom as well as the sides making it 5x5 plus.

I'm shocked at how sharp the picture are, these are scans straight from Genie today, expired Kodak E6.  I have two more rolls to sort, a GP3 and Acros, need to get my finger out ...
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2011, 10:07:38 PM »
Pretty amazing results Miles... !
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2011, 10:30:45 PM »

Thanks, the CC is a crazy little camera, so light and plastic, simple and yet so sharp !

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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2011, 10:39:02 PM »
Very surprising results...
I sometimes am amazed at how good some plastic lenses can be!
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2011, 10:49:33 PM »
Very surprising results...
I sometimes am amazed at how good some plastic lenses can be!
Kodak Cresta is another very sharp one...
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2011, 11:52:50 PM »
Those are very nice!
And those colors are the kind that really turn my head!
Can you show us what exactly you trimmed out of the camera?
I have one that may need some "adjusting".

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2011, 02:22:34 AM »
Love the format, vignetting, clarity and color. I am really going to have to consider one of these cameras. Are they expensive?
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2011, 08:07:35 AM »

I paid £8 GBP for mine in a flea market.  So no ...  ;D

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2011, 08:23:50 AM »
From the Front and Back Inside of the CC2. I cut the side masks out with a hacksaw blade and the the top and bottom too.  Now need to tidy them up a bit as you can see how rought it is.   ;D
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2011, 08:31:54 AM »
Oh, and Sapata Man ... I've just "won" a Cresta 3 on evilbay because of your comment last night ... Dammit !

There must be a support group for people like us, or is this it perversly ?  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2011, 09:25:47 AM »
beautiful results! that vignetting  :-*

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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2011, 10:08:15 AM »
There must be a support group for people like us, or is this it perversly ?  ;D

HA!
Always thought about that as well... :D Now..., I AM looking for a Coronet!! :o

You won't be disapointed with the Cresta... ;)
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2011, 11:29:38 AM »
Miles: Fantastic results indeed. These are absolutely top notch; wonderful colour and some nice composition given the viewfinder's restrictions (more about that below). You seem to have landed a really sharp lens on your Commander too. Nice. I'm not sure mine is so sharp, but I guess that even though Coronet's manufacturing standards will have been higher than on a Diana/Clone for instance, there will still be variations between batches. I like the way you opened up the whole back to make it square. I mainly opened the sides and left the top so I arrived at an aspect ratio which is wider than it is high. I quite like it the way it is, but I may open up one of my other Commanders to the full square at some point because your images are hard to argue with. Hat tipped in your direction  ;)

Erin/Mauricio: The history behind me buying the Commander originally is that I stumbled across one of Coronet's other 1960's plastic cameras, the beautiful 4x4 Mark II, in Mr Cad years ago. It looked gorgeous (well, it IS gorgeous) so I snapped it up on the spot. It's a 127 format camera though and while I love using it, there are limitations - mainly down to the cost of 127 film these days - which mean I don't do so as much as I'd like. I was curious about this English company and liked the idea of using a 'Made in England' plastic camera, so I looked into the wider Coronet range and was delighted to see that they had made another low-budget plastic cam at around the same time, but this time in 120 format. Truth be told I was looking for a change for the Diana/Holga axis-of-plastic as a way to get excited about toycams again....and because no-one else that I knew was using one. I got one on evilBay for £5 and was surprised to find that it had a quirky aspect ratio, which they called 'portrait' (see below for an example...it's one of the frames from the film that was in my first Commander when I bought it):


Found Photo #1 by Ed Wenn, on Flickr

Like Miles, I shot a roll with the standard mask in place and then realised that I might get some decent vignetting and (hopefully) some edge distortion if I cut the mask away and exposed more film than just the 'portrait' aspect ratio allowed for.

This is easy to do and gives great results. The only challenge after that is that the camera's viewfinder is obviously roughly based on the original aspect ratio and as this has now changed, the viewfinder is really only useful for pointing at the centre of what you think you're going to be taking a picture of. After a couple of rolls you get the hang of it though, so it's not a show-stopper.

While I'm on the subject, here's another from the roll that I found in the camera when I bought it:



And here's one from the 1st or second roll I stuck through it after I altered the mask. Until I saw Miles' photos I'd forgotten I'd even used colour film in my Commander. This is nothing special, just a test shot, but you can see that my lens isn't as sharp as Miles'....although it's not half bad:



Actually, looking at this final one, I maybe need to re-evaluate as it definitely looks pretty sharp in the centre. Hmmm, I may have to break the Commander out again and start using it in a different way. Some nice, bright, colour shots may be in order....now all I have to do to emulate Miles' excellent shots is fly over to Cuba  :D ;D


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Sorry for the long, self-indulgent post, but I do love my Coronets and I'm excited that someone else is getting such fantastic results with his.

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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2011, 12:22:54 PM »
Lucky me. I couldn't find any on eBay :)

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2011, 01:31:19 PM »
They are quite rare. On spotting mine in Brighton this year I immediately sent a txt to Ed.

Thanks for the comments all.

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2011, 02:28:56 PM »
gorgeous shots with the cam, miles! the second shot with the tower is really something else (just look at the clouds! -so crisp~) I'm suprised it doesn't scratch the film after the surgery :o

ed: it was an interesting read! maybe something (miles stuff included ofcourse) for the articles section of the forum? ;)
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2011, 02:56:06 PM »

I was worried about that too (the scratching) so I sanded the "film facing edge" with glass paper till very smooth.  I was also worried about light leaks too as the Cuban sun is unrelenting so I use Std. black insulation tape on the "joins" just in case.  Though all it did was peel off some of the outside finish.

On the full size scans the image is still sharp too, amazing from that lens, first time I've used Genie for E6 too, normally use the Fuji Photoshoponline.

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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2011, 04:41:21 PM »
Ed, beautiful shots!! And thank you for all the info. So am I looking for a Coronet Commander II?
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2011, 05:09:20 PM »
well, I'm such a doofus, I have the Coronet 4 x 4,  so guess there's no alternations to be done.

I also looked for a Commander and found nothing, even in a worldwide search...
Gives me something to hunt for....and I love a good camera hunt!

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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2011, 07:39:55 PM »
Nice shots Miles... Ed, you do the UK shores proud...    ;)
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2011, 11:18:18 PM »
Ed, great shots with the Coronet...I really like the colours on your "found film"!

I also have a gorgeous made in England art-deco Coronet Twelve 20 which I really like it, the results are more like a toy camera effect.
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2011, 12:40:49 AM »
Like that top one lots !

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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2011, 07:54:08 PM »

Havana through the Commander 2 on Acros in R09 and taped to my lightbox.

Got to tidy up the back/mask  ;D

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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2011, 09:39:01 PM »
Just like that, it does give a Fred Flintstone look to the images ;)
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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2011, 10:47:32 PM »

Stoneage meets 50's TV set ?

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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2011, 12:11:09 AM »
Yaba daba doo!

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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2011, 01:30:04 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're all mental!

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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2011, 03:29:13 PM »
I know this proves something... I don't know what but I'm happy that it does  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2011, 05:18:46 PM »

Mr. Sapata - Could you post a few Cresta pics ?

My Cresta 3 should be with me this week, not sure if that's the best model but I preferred the "look" of the 3 over the others.  Quitea few on the Bay at the mo, dirt cheap to.

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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2011, 09:01:40 PM »

Mr. Sapata - Could you post a few Cresta pics ?

My Cresta 3 should be with me this week, not sure if that's the best model but I preferred the "look" of the 3 over the others.  Quitea few on the Bay at the mo, dirt cheap to.

I think you've bought an impreved version that I have... mine is the Bakelite made Cresta II like the one below...



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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2011, 01:38:31 AM »
Yup, mine's the grey topped "3".

I meant picture taken with the camera though  ;D

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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2011, 12:00:51 PM »
Yup, mine's the grey topped "3".

I meant picture taken with the camera though  ;D

HA! :P
Here's the link...
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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2011, 01:38:32 PM »

Crickey that is sharp, and from "Dakon" lens too (errrr ... That'll be plastic then Mr. Kodak ?)

Going for a walk with family and dogs later, thinking what camera to take ...

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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2011, 02:05:39 PM »
for a walk with family and dogs later, thinking what camera to take ...

you have new dogs?

show us a pic ???  ;D
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« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2011, 11:33:06 PM »

Yes, a rescue Pup, and my sister in law has his sister.  2 months old and took them swimming in a book in Bekesbourne today.  Bumped into Phil (location, location ... etc...) Spencer while there.  Only film pics are in the Chinon CE-4 now  :-[  Have others but digi ...

Dogs home said the mother was a Beagle (they were told) but really isn't.  He's a skinny Lurcher / Whippet type thing with Spanial ears and very lovely  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2011, 11:06:43 AM »
He's a skinny Lurcher / Whippet type thing

the only type of dog worth having, I'd say.

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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2011, 11:27:57 AM »
I feel it's time to fire up this old thread again ;D
http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=4189.0

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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2011, 08:23:01 PM »
Look what the postman brought!

I was so impressed my Miles's fantastic shots from Cuba, and the fact that it was made in the UK, I've been on the lookout for a Commander ever since.  ::)

The Commander 1 has the apertures marked as Colour (big) and B&W (small), but I'm guessing they're probably f8 and f16 as on the Commander 2 - don't worry I'm not planning to break out the light meter I was just interested.

As I mentioned before I have a real psychological barrier to overcome when it comes to hacking cameras, so although I love the look I'm not sure I'm going to be able to bring myself to go for the square thing! For now I'm going to shoot a roll as it is and see how we get on together. I'll report back, although don't expect any Cuban sun!  :)
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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2011, 09:02:20 PM »
I'm surprised the film can stay at all flat once you've hacked away that much of the film plane. :O

Perhaps that accounts for the "soft" shots. 

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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2011, 11:17:38 PM »
Great news Nigel, dogmas you got it. I picked up a Mk1 recently so might keep it intact, the only diff is the labels I'm sure. Good luck a look forward to the 24 results :-)

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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2011, 11:21:01 PM »
Nigel that one looks just too darn perfect to hack, what with the box an everything! there must be another (scruffier one) out there somewhere? (No, you can't have mine  :D)

Flippy as long as you leave a little bit of the frame at the top and bottom retaining the original curve the film  should follow this OK.  The same problem has ruined my plans to run 35mm through some old 127 "landscape format" cameras though.

Another camera to look out for which takes the same "portrait" format of 24 shots on 120 film is the Bencini Koroll 24s.  It's all metal, a little bit more sophisticated than the Commander, but not much!  Plenty of these seem to be available.  These are actually a much better prospect for frame mask mods, the frame mask is held in by screws and can be removed/replaced with alternatives.  The film plane is also flat, not curved.

I bought a second koroll a couple of years back for the purpose of modding but it's yet another project that so far I haven't got round to. Here's a shot from the unmodified camera:



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« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2011, 11:38:15 PM »
That's pretty awesome Nigel... the box seems also in great condition!
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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2011, 11:52:01 PM »
Bang on fella, the Korall is ready for this, it's shiny too :-)

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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2011, 12:13:49 PM »
AHH Ha... I new this day would come. You were the person, that out bid me on the camera!!! Not that I tried that hard.

Please keep us posted on how the hack comes out.

I.m off to hunt for a another...
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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2011, 01:19:40 PM »
;D ;D ;D ;D

You're all mental!


Just about sums up (us) filmwasters  ;D

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« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2011, 01:46:05 PM »
AHH Ha... I new this day would come. You were the person, that out bid me on the camera!!! Not that I tried that hard.

Please keep us posted on how the hack comes out.

I.m off to hunt for a another...

Sorry Chris, Miles and I nearly did the same on a previous Commander auction. PM next time you're bidding and I'll step back. - maybe we need a Commander register of interests!
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« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2011, 04:04:35 PM »

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Sorry Chris, Miles and I nearly did the same on a previous Commander auction. PM next time you're bidding and I'll step back. - maybe we need a Commander register of interests!


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No worries. I'm sure this is not the first time that someone has been scooped by a fellow Filmwaster. Register of interest... good idea.

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« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2012, 11:25:49 PM »
I know old thread, but I have been looking for one of these since I lost that last camera to Nigel. No luck.

SO! anyone looking to sell one at a resonable price???
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« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2012, 12:55:55 PM »
Chris, have you seen this?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-CORONET-COMMANDER-2-HALF-FRAME-CAMERA-SIMPLE-LOMO-TYPE-CAMERA-/251079860529?pt=UK_Photography_VintageCameras_SM&hash=item3a7586a131

Let me know if you have problems bidding on a UK item from Canadia and I'll gladly bid on it for you and ship it over. I owe you big time for the bread recipe and those cool CDRs you sent a year or two back.

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« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2012, 06:19:29 PM »
I love how I totally missed that. Thanks Ed.

Lets call this a Register of Interest on the camera...... bid placed!

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