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Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« on: July 13, 2020, 04:20:49 PM »
This just in, Kodak Alaris has been sold to a Chinese comapny.
Sino Promise Holdings is now the proud owner of the entire Kodak production when it comes to paper and chemicals.
Here's the full story: https://www.insideimaging.com.au/2020/kodak-paper-and-chem-to-chinese-company/
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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2020, 04:40:18 PM »
From what I understand it's not the film distribution part of Kodak Alaris, they pulled that out of the deal.  It does include photographic paper and printer stuff.  Remember, Kodak Alaris is just distribution and marketing of Kodak consumer film for still cameras.  This was part of the Kodak UK pension fund.  Kodak still makes the film and movie film is still sold and marketed by Kodak. 

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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2020, 06:41:53 PM »
There are already too many companies called "Kodak" and I've given up on trying to understand who makes what, or if they make anything at all. I just hope that if this deal goes through the new owners will drop the Kodak name and move on.

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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2020, 09:34:17 PM »
From what I understand it's not the film distribution part of Kodak Alaris, they pulled that out of the deal.  It does include photographic paper and printer stuff.  Remember, Kodak Alaris is just distribution and marketing of Kodak consumer film for still cameras.  This was part of the Kodak UK pension fund.  Kodak still makes the film and movie film is still sold and marketed by Kodak.
According to the article, Kodak Alaris' film division will be transfered to Kodak Moments. Sino Promise will make the chemicals (HC-110, D-76, Flexicolor, etc.), photo papers, X-ray films and such that will be sold under the Kodak name.

What strikes me is that they're getting rid of the divisions that bring in 56% of their earnings because they say they ain't profitable but instead keeping the division that brings in 36% because it is more profitable...

That means that the marginal cost of the chemistry is higher than that of film... to me it's a bit counter intuitive but I just hope it works for them.
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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2020, 12:06:11 AM »
Kodak has plenty of financial problems that jeopardize their future.  Hopefully they can find a way to keep making film.   

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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2020, 01:14:52 AM »
I have been finding the whole new Kodak setup extremely confusing.  That said, if I can continue to get my film and chemistry....I’m happy.  I’m not even sure who makes some of Fuji films anymore

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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2020, 02:54:46 PM »
I'm just happy that you still can get some in the stores.
And BTW, Fuji is still all Japanese production with the exception of the b&w films which are made by Ilford.
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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2020, 09:33:29 PM »
Some interesting things going on Kodak stock.  They were supposed to get that loan from the government to start making ingredients for COVID-19 medicine, that sent their stock shooting up to $60 per share.  The problem was that the stock shot up before the loan was announced.  Now the loan is on hold and the feds are looking into insider trading.  The stock price is coming back down to reality now, still a little high.  I hope this doesn't do damage to company that is already financially fragile. 

I had a few shares of Kodak stock that I bought recently, when I saw the price spiking I sold it as fast as I could.  When I bought it I didn't buy much knowing it was risky and probably a stupid investment.  I sold it at $36 per share so it's turned out to be one of my best investments this year.  I made enough to keep me supplied with film for a very long time.  I'll probably just re-invest in something better than Kodak stock. 

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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2020, 09:40:10 PM »
Yeah, I've seen that insider trading thing. It definitely looks fishy, especially since the CEO got some options in the deal...
But knowing how the current administration handles things like that, if everybody paid their membership to the proper political group, there won't be any insider trading to be found.
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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2020, 09:42:31 PM »
Yeah, I've seen that insider trading thing. It definitely looks fishy, especially since the CEO got some options in the deal...
But knowing how the current administration handles things like that, if everybody paid their membership to the proper political group, there won't be any insider trading to be found.
It can be hard to prove, I'm sure it happens all the time.

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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2020, 02:24:16 AM »
I'm just happy that you still can get some in the stores.
And BTW, Fuji is still all Japanese production with the exception of the b&w films which are made by Ilford.

Have you seen confirmation that Ilford makes the film?  I have not found anything official

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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2020, 01:50:14 PM »
When you look at a box of neopan it says"made in the UK". As far as I know Ilford is the only company in the UK that has coating facilities....
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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2020, 04:35:02 PM »
Is all this reshuffling of Kodak assets and liabilities just typical corporate maneuvering so as to clear the decks for getting a piece of the Corona Vaccine pie? 

https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/kodak-s-765m-manufacturing-loan-rocks-as-federal-investigations-mount
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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2020, 09:58:11 PM »
Don't know but it does smell fishy.
But then again, we do live in a bankruptocracy.
This somehow makes me think of a former local jewel: Bombardier.
They made a lot of stuff: snowmobiles, boats, jet-skis,  all terrain vehicles, trains, forest fire fighting aircraft, private jets, regional jets.
They wanted to play in the same pool as Boeing and Airbus, so they spent billions of dollars trying to develop a new plane. When the going started to get tough, they got a new CEO. First thing he did was increase the exec's salaries. Then he started selling parts of the company to fund their project.
He sold the snowmobiles, the boats, the jet-skis, the ATV, the firefighting aircraft division, the private jets, the regional jets, the trains and finally their big airplane division.
At that point, he was heralded as a hero by the company and given a very generous multi-million retirement package. The company is now essentially a shell, everyone in the administration is filthy rich and the company doesn't have a money cow left to bring in revenues.

And BTW, if anyone is offered to fly on a Bombardier C series or an Airbus A-220, it's new name, just ask for another flight. These things were so plagued with problems that I have a ton of doubts on their quality. They use a proprietary engine that was built for weight savings. They saved so much weight that they had some of the strangest accidents while in experimental stage. So much that Transport Canada deemed the test-flights unsafe for a long time
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Re: Goodbye Kodak USA, Hello Kodak China
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2020, 12:09:27 AM »
White House trade adviser Peter Navarro on Monday blasted executives at Eastman Kodak for their handling of a government loan to produce pharmaceutical ingredients in the United States.

“Based on what I’m seeing, what happened at Kodak was probably the dumbest decisions made by executives in corporate history,” Navarro said on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.”

“You can’t fix stupid,” Navarro added. “You can’t even anticipate that degree of stupidity.”

The $765 million government loan to Kodak has since been put on pause as the Securities and Exchange Commission investigates the company’s disclosure of the deal, which was officially announced on July 28. In addition to the SEC investigation, Kodak is also now being sued by multiple law firms representing thousands of shareholders.