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How to fake a polaroid
« on: October 05, 2012, 05:00:10 PM »
Blasphemy.  This makes me so sad, the efforts to 'go faux'.  I hope I've never complimented someone on their [fake] polaroid. 
http://www.projectalicia.com/2012/05/diy-how-to-fake-polaroids.html


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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2012, 06:35:36 PM »
What the ....?  What an "Inappropriate" Project!
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2012, 09:30:20 PM »
I tend to look at fake polaroids like I look at fake fur, fake wood, fake plants, fake bugs...
Comes a point where it gets really tacky...
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 09:37:10 PM »
i posted a comment [not nasty] on her post but it has to be moderated  :(
lets see if it gets published . . .

ffs why not spend $50 dollars or whatever and create something "real" !
ya never know she just might like it . .

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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 09:47:54 PM »
She has photos with those cameras, but only lists digital cameras in her bag. Way to much "me" stuff on her site for me, but whatever folks have to do to be happy, i guess. And it looks like shooting a polaroid is less work than faking one! And not sure how photography on a budget includes $1500 worth of digital gear!
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 10:03:23 PM »
To each their own. I like to think the younger generation thinks that polaroid is grossly expensive and film photography itself is labor intensive. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Some aspects of analog photography is quite labor intensive, but with preparation and persistance your results can be mind blowing. They just need a little push in the right direction. If this is something that if 100 people saw and maybe 20 people went out to persure real instant photography then i would be happy.

Though what i dont get is that people complain film is labor intensive, yet they will sit at a computer for hours editing their raw images! I put just about the same time into a raw digital image as i do scanning one. Sometimes even more into the digital.

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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2012, 10:12:18 PM »
She has photos with those cameras, but only lists digital cameras in her bag. Way to much "me" stuff on her site for me, but whatever folks have to do to be happy, i guess. And it looks like shooting a polaroid is less work than faking one! And not sure how photography on a budget includes $1500 worth of digital gear!

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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2012, 08:07:00 AM »
YAWN
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2012, 08:56:58 AM »
Thanks for posting such an interesting link. I prefer using film whenever possible, but I appreciate the effort and imagination put into these faux techniques. Image making in all it's forms is perfectly ok in my book  :)

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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2012, 09:38:55 AM »
This, and really the whole "Instagram" thing has got me thinking. Currently, the retro film-look is very fashionable.  Everybody's doing it.   So alongside all these arguments over whether  the throwaway mimicking of techniques that some people hold so dear is sacrilege or not, the plus side is we also see a lot of interest in the work of photographers who are still doing it the hard way.  But sooner or later, the fashion will pass, there will be a new look, a new set of filters for image processing software.  How is this going to affect film photographers who might have got used to the interest and attention that being the inspiration to the current trends has brought? 

 So rather than going back to a position where the mass-market was perhaps a bit bemused and perhaps intrigued a little by photos with dark corners and colours that are all wrong, will film photographers using polaroid/expired film etc suddenly become "sooooooo last year" and ignored as horrendously unfashionable?   

I know the hardcore filmwasters will carry on regardless, it's not a fashion choice!  But do you think there will come a point where even the die-hards suddenly find it very difficult to get their work published/exhibited? (for a while at least, until the "look" starts to come back in again!)

(Apologies for  barely finding the time to lurk let alone post these days - sorry if this has already been discussed in another thread!)

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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2012, 02:56:33 PM »
Here's something interesting coming out of the Lomography site. While it is biased in the way it was addressed to their customers, I find the results still very interesting. Scientifically, they had enough people take the survey to make it a very descriptive review of their fan base.

Here's the link
http://microsites.lomography.com/analogue-vs-digital/?utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_analogue_digital_results_2_INT
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2012, 06:32:05 PM »
In this case it seems to be for use in other shoots and for effect - which I think is fair enough. If you want some random "Polaroids" in a shot as props for some reason, spending twenty quid with the Impossible Project to get them seems a bit much. They wouldn't fool anyone "in the flesh". (Well, I say that, but on second thoughts a lot of people will never have seen a real Polaroid these days...)
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2012, 07:59:56 PM »
I hope I am not hurting anybody´s feelings but I see some contradiction from some negative opinions vested here about faking polaroids and then other positive opinions about the instagram in the other thread. Please correct me if I am wrong, does not the instagram try to emulate retro-film look? And then why it would be different from emulating a particular film like Polaroid?
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2012, 08:08:49 PM »
I hope I am not hurting anybody´s feelings but I see some contradiction from some negative opinions vested here about faking polaroids and then other positive opinions about the instagram in the other thread. Please correct me if I am wrong, does not the instagram try to emulate retro-film look? And then why if would be different from emulating a particular film like Polaroid?
To be fair, while I am fine with both, Instagram is primarily a social toy which uses the filters to make photos of cats and lunches a bit more varied, rather than actively trying to fake anything. I can see why somebody might be okay with that and not with this.
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2012, 09:36:41 PM »
I hope I am not hurting anybody´s feelings but I see some contradiction from some negative opinions vested here about faking polaroids and then other positive opinions about the instagram in the other thread. Please correct me if I am wrong, does not the instagram try to emulate retro-film look? And then why it would be different from emulating a particular film like Polaroid?
I'm going to contradict, just for fun ;)
Don't you see the irony of utter coolness here. It's like having your cake and eating it too!
It's all about being avant-garde of the avant-garde. Most people still take ordinary pictures of their cats, but if you're with the in-crowd on the digital bleeding edge, you can produce something so fake it looks real. And pretty soon, you'll be able to get an app that allows you to take pictures of cats when there are no cats to photograph, hide the digital artifacts with even more digital artifacts which are derived from analog artifacts in order to make your masterpiece of cat-ostrophic proportion more real than reality ;)  :P :P :P ;D ;D

Now, this probably was the most pointless comment I made all day... now back to work... where did I put that switch plate cover?
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2012, 12:22:47 AM »
Interesting thread.

The thing that strikes me is that "looks" come and go. The current vogue for "Polaroid" photography (whether real, TiP, iPhone / Instagram and Photoshop faked) will have its day and then something else will come along and catch our imagination. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and photography is a very broad church that can accommodate all of the aforementioned.

I'm certainly not going to criticise faking Polaroid as I have a programme called Silver Efex Pro which was produced to make digital shots look like they'd been taken with a variety of monochrome films. Hey, it's fun - and yet I had some nasty crap fired at me on another forum a few years ago for posting digital shots processed in the style of whatever.....   The forum in question was open to both digital and film and I made it very clear that the photos were digital originals.

Just a thought: This lady has the means with which to fake Polaroids. Assuming she's happy with what she can create and she's not trying to con anyone into thinking they're the real deal, why shell out even more for an SX-70 and TiP film? It's not for all of us but why are we fussed?


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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2012, 03:03:48 AM »
I'm rethinking my initial recoil...  My initial reaction was more about passing them off as polaroids, much less the EFFORT that went into doing a fake vs. real.  But hey!  This is someone who has come up with a solution to her love for polaroid on a budget.  It makes her happy.  Oh shame on me!

I too have recently played with those instagram-like apps and after reading several very good points here (Thanks Carlos, Paul, among others...) I immediately remembered 'filtering' my apple snack and thinking hmm... kinda polaroid-ish, slightly, sorta'.   Now would I pass it off as film? As a polaroid? heck no.  But I'm owning my hypocrisy and asking for leniency in my punishment.   :)

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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2012, 03:44:28 AM »
This whole thing reminded me this app released ages ago before instagram:
http://www.poladroid.net/
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2012, 08:17:08 AM »
Hey Ann - no worries and no penance required  ;) 

There are certain forums that only allow postings of photos that are "pure" film stock to chemical print throughout. That's fine for them and I can't help but admire their tenacity and desire to promote the skills which some of FW most definitely possess by the bucket-load.

As for me (and probably a few others) I have to make do with shooting film through kit I've grown to love and then "approximating" - or whatever other euphemism I care to use - the look I'd love to be able to create if I had the time, kit, patience and skill that I just don't.

This isn't a criticism of digital - merely a statement of what I believe to be true. All digital is fake to a larger or lesser extent. Every film / digital hybrid process is a compromise as it can only ever be a digital representation of a film original - even if it's an almost straight scan with just the tiniest bit of contrast, curve, layer, sharpening, saturation. etc......
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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2012, 02:05:20 PM »
I think the closest one could get to Polaroid is to shoot direct positive paper. The problems you would encounter would be the very low ISO, somewhere in the neighborhood of ISO 3~6 and of course, an image reversed, left to right. But even at ISO 3, in bright light, with f5.6 you might get away with a shutter speed of 1/15 or even 1/30, fast enough to hand hold if you are careful.

You would still have to develop-stop-fix to get an image but this could be accomplished in a home made red window glove box with the final wash and dry done outside the box. This is where single grade RC paper would have an advantage. I hope Ilford can get their direct positive RC paper into production.

As for the laterally turned image this problem could be solved by placing a first surface mirror at 45 degrees to the lens and bouncing the image to the paper.

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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2012, 02:12:37 PM »
Addition to my post above. The camera would have to be home-built with a press camera lens, that could be focused, using 4X5 film holders.

These type of posts always set my mind spinning (sometimes spinning out of control)  ::)

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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2012, 09:25:37 PM »
The thing is this has been going on for a while and it wont stop!
http://www.realmacsoftware.com/analog/
So you may as well shrug your shoulders and taken solace that you are doing it "for real"!

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Re: How to fake a polaroid
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2012, 04:46:45 PM »
I'm starting to get the feeling that the instagram fake film novelty is quickly wearing off, people are starting to see it as easy to make tat instead of creative masterpieces [thank god] hopefully it will be relegated to the level of planking, everyone's doing it but no one cares any more...