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Title: The talking room
Post by: Francois on June 29, 2018, 01:42:20 PM
Boy is it quiet these days!
So I thought I'd start something new. Hence the name of this thread.
It's a place to just talk. Talk about pretty much anything. Think of it like going to the pub with a bunch of friends with the only difference being that you can't order a beer...

So yeah, I've been pretty inactive for the last week being stuck with a cold! First time I get a summer time cold. Miserable. I'm lucky bits of my brain didn't come out my nose with all that snot. But now I'm okay. ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Andrea. on June 29, 2018, 02:24:32 PM
I did notice the quietude. However, I have been out today with a Zenit 12 shooting a lot. Only to find there was no film in it ! ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on June 29, 2018, 03:06:38 PM
Just like my dad on that fabled visit to Niagara Falls :)
He kept saying that he couldn't believe how much Kodak had improved their cassettes. They're so smooth that you can't even feel the film advancing through the camera!  ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on June 29, 2018, 03:59:53 PM
Think of it like going to the pub with a bunch of friends with the only difference being that you can't order a beer...

Well, with the current European shortage of CO2 affecting drink production, that's actually not so different.

Soon there'll be no pork or chicken on the shelves and the biggest disaster, so far, is they have had to stop crumpet production. How will we survive?

Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on June 29, 2018, 04:05:58 PM
Of course, in pre Trump times, we might have imported from the USA but with the new increased tariffs starting next week we'll probably just starve. Not only that, but with a 50% increase of import tax on men's underpants (true) we'll have to go commando as well.

Edit: My mistake. Underpants are exempt. So are crocheted overalls!!. I'll have to get a pair of those.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on June 29, 2018, 04:39:46 PM
Of course, in pre Trump times, we might have imported from the USA but with the new increased tariffs starting next week we'll probably just starve. Not only that, but with a 50% increase of import tax on men's underpants (true) we'll have to go commando as well.

Edit: My mistake. Underpants are exempt. So are crocheted overalls!!. I'll have to get a pair of those.

Let me know before you starve, I'll carve a potato to look like a camera and send it to you, hopefully that will get it past the tariffs.

Boy is it quiet these days!
So I thought I'd start something new. Hence the name of this thread.
It's a place to just talk. Talk about pretty much anything. Think of it like going to the pub with a bunch of friends with the only difference being that you can't order a beer...

So yeah, I've been pretty inactive for the last week being stuck with a cold! First time I get a summer time cold. Miserable. I'm lucky bits of my brain didn't come out my nose with all that snot. But now I'm okay. ;D

I've also noticed how quiet it's been, I just assume everyone's out wasting film.  There has been a bad cold going around over here as well.  My wife got it, most of my crew at work got it and it lingers for a few weeks for everyone.  Thankfully I've avoided it so far. 

I did notice the quietude. However, I have been out today with a Zenit 12 shooting a lot. Only to find there was no film in it ! ;D

I shot a whole roll a few months ago before I realized the leader disconnected from the take up spool.  It was when it got past the 37th frame that I started wondering and noticed the rewind knob wasn't moving.  I usually check to make sure the rewind knob is turning so I'm not sure why this happened. 
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on June 29, 2018, 05:09:51 PM
Let me know before you starve, I'll carve a potato to look like a camera and send it to you, hopefully that will get it past the tariffs.

As long as there's no battery in it because...

"Portable battery operated electronic readers for recording and reproducing text, still image or audio file"  have a 50% increase on them.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Kai-san on June 29, 2018, 05:24:23 PM

I've also noticed how quiet it's been, I just assume everyone's out wasting film.  There has been a bad cold going around over here as well.  My wife got it, most of my crew at work got it and it lingers for a few weeks for everyone.  Thankfully I've avoided it so far. 


I rather think people are glued to their TV sets wasting away their lives on a branch of the entertainment industry named Football. Myself I'm out wasting film whenever I can. Only problem is I'm seriously behind with scanning.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Faintandfuzzy on June 29, 2018, 09:03:46 PM
Been occupied with football the last bit.  Gonna start burning some more film soon.  I too am behind on scanning.  I've got about 18 rolls of 36 to do, then process a backlog of a good dozen b&w rolls and a half dozen color. 

Hoping the new Ektachrome makes an appearance soon.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on June 29, 2018, 09:21:01 PM
Boy is it quiet these days!
So I thought I'd start something new. Hence the name of this thread.
It's a place to just talk. Talk about pretty much anything. Think of it like going to the pub with a bunch of friends with the only difference being that you can't order a beer...

So yeah, I've been pretty inactive for the last week being stuck with a cold! First time I get a summer time cold. Miserable. I'm lucky bits of my brain didn't come out my nose with all that snot. But now I'm okay. ;D

I've also noticed how quiet it's been, I just assume everyone's out wasting film.  There has been a bad cold going around over here as well.  My wife got it, most of my crew at work got it and it lingers for a few weeks for everyone.  Thankfully I've avoided it so far. 
You're lucky! But on the up side, all I had to do to see Niagara Falls is to look at my nose ::)

But yeah, those tariffs are a worrying new thing. I just hope we won't have to switch from orange juice to turnip juice any time soon  ;D
But more than the tariffs, what worries me is that the big grocery chains will probably take this as an excuse to raise the prices and increase their profit margin...
But there's not much we can do about this. At least at this time of the year we get plenty of fresh local produce... My fridge is full of film, my car is Japanese, I use Ilford developers, we're setting-up for our first heat wave... at least there is still a bit of positive stuff to look up to.

And that video on London I posted got me really inspired to try weird things...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on June 29, 2018, 09:42:36 PM
Boy is it quiet these days!
So I thought I'd start something new. Hence the name of this thread.
It's a place to just talk. Talk about pretty much anything. Think of it like going to the pub with a bunch of friends with the only difference being that you can't order a beer...

So yeah, I've been pretty inactive for the last week being stuck with a cold! First time I get a summer time cold. Miserable. I'm lucky bits of my brain didn't come out my nose with all that snot. But now I'm okay. ;D

I've also noticed how quiet it's been, I just assume everyone's out wasting film.  There has been a bad cold going around over here as well.  My wife got it, most of my crew at work got it and it lingers for a few weeks for everyone.  Thankfully I've avoided it so far. 
You're lucky! But on the up side, all I had to do to see Niagara Falls is to look at my nose ::)

But yeah, those tariffs are a worrying new thing. I just hope we won't have to switch from orange juice to turnip juice any time soon  ;D
But more than the tariffs, what worries me is that the big grocery chains will probably take this as an excuse to raise the prices and increase their profit margin...
But there's not much we can do about this. At least at this time of the year we get plenty of fresh local produce... My fridge is full of film, my car is Japanese, I use Ilford developers, we're setting-up for our first heat wave... at least there is still a bit of positive stuff to look up to.

And that video on London I posted got me really inspired to try weird things...
Another thing that will drive produce prices up is the lack of migrant farm workers in the U.S.  They are already talking about the possibility of produce rotting on the vine.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on June 29, 2018, 09:46:40 PM
All I know is that everything that's going on these days is getting to be hard on my nerves... I'm just happy I'm not a trader at the stock exchange or something similar. I might be able to deal with a cat screeching at me but this is an entire whole kettle of fish.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: irv_b on June 29, 2018, 09:53:03 PM

New job anyone?

https://jobs.gold.ac.uk/vacancy/senior-technical-advisor-photography-355605.html

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This post is 0.8FTE, but the needs of the Department are such that the hours are concentrated during the Autumn, Spring and Summer terms. During this time you will usually work five days per week. More details are available from the Department.

Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on June 29, 2018, 10:22:40 PM
That looks like a good job... though I can't really tell from here...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: irv_b on June 29, 2018, 10:29:02 PM
You're right it is a good job although there would be the hinderance of kids to teach ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: cs1 on June 29, 2018, 10:44:05 PM
Irv, at some point there'll be grandkids. They'll be asking "grandpa, why do you put your head under that funny blanket and look into those strange bellows with a lens at the other end?" and at that point you'll be teaching future filmwasters.  :P
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on June 30, 2018, 09:32:29 PM
Bah! Like the song said: the kids are alright...
Wasn't that in a punk song?
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: jharr on June 30, 2018, 10:35:22 PM
I did notice the quietude. However, I have been out today with a Zenit 12 shooting a lot. Only to find there was no film in it ! ;D

I shot a whole roll a few months ago before I realized the leader disconnected from the take up spool.  It was when it got past the 37th frame that I started wondering and noticed the rewind knob wasn't moving.  I usually check to make sure the rewind knob is turning so I'm not sure why this happened.

I did the same thing with the EliteChrome I posted in the weekend thread. I shot 37 frames on the leader before I realized it wasn't winding. I guess it's a good thing we like the process of taking pictures so much that the end result is really just a bonus!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: DazzlingDave on July 01, 2018, 06:44:55 AM
Bah! Like the song said: the kids are alright...
Wasn't that in a punk song?
It was The Who on the My Generation album and also as a single back in 1965.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 01, 2018, 03:26:20 PM
I knew I heard that somewhere....
Thanks.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 02, 2018, 02:01:09 PM
OK... A thread not about photography... Well you know I've never been prolific, so yeah, I can add to this...

I've mentioned on here before, my occasional music festival outings, and last weekend was the http://www.ramblinmanfair.com/fair/line-up/ (http://www.ramblinmanfair.com/fair/line-up/), only 40 minutes door to door, making it close enough to home for an easy journey at either end of the day(s).

Hydration levels were maintained with the assistance of Whitstable Bay pale ale, and not a single frame exposed all weekend, analogue or otherwise..!

So, in order of seeing (full performances only), and with the briefest of reviews...

Thomas Wynn & the believers.............. discovery no.1  :)
GUN.................................................. solid performance.
Therapy?........................................... forgettable.  :(
Skinny Molly...................................... unforgettable.
The Cadillac three............................... entertainingly energetic.
Steve Earle & the Dukes...................... legends.
The Kris Barras band.......................... discovery no.2  ;D
Sons of Apollo.................................... too much technique, not enough feeling.  :(
Blackberry Smoke.............................. What a band..!
Fish.................................................. What a man..!
The Cult............................................ What a performance..!

Any of these float yer boat..? If not, why not..?
Anything else on the line-up (link above) that you'd have chosen instead..?





Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 02, 2018, 03:27:43 PM
I must admit that The Cult are not known for going soft in their shows.
And it looks like you had nice weather to go with it.


Right here we're in the middle of a record setting heat wave. Environment Canada even advises people to stay inside if they have air conditioning. It's 10:23 and the thermometer already shows it's 37°C outside. And this afternoon with the humidity it should feel like 48°C.... And the government warns that leaving anything living in a car will most possibly be deadly.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on July 02, 2018, 04:47:02 PM
Right here we're in the middle of a record setting heat wave. Environment Canada even advises people to stay inside if they have air conditioning. It's 10:23 and the thermometer already shows it's 37°C outside. And this afternoon with the humidity it should feel like 48°C.... And the government warns that leaving anything living in a car will most possibly be deadly.

We're still in June Gloom in the Pacific Northwest.  Right now it's 53F and raining.  Summer doesn't really start until after the 4th of July around here.  It's like clockwork every year, 50% chance of rain on the 4th, sunny and warm after that. 

That sounds like a great music festival Kentish, I'm not familiar with all the bands but it looks like a great lineup.  I would have enjoyed the Cult and I always like a good blues band. 
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: astrobeck on July 02, 2018, 06:09:39 PM
I noticed the quiet also, but just figured between summer holidays, football, and just doldrums in general....you know it's kind of hard to be productive.

I've had bronchitis, helped Bluebirds fledged their young...literally a snake was after some fledglings that I had to rescue and just been kind of quiet trying to stay cool in this stifling heat the rest of the time.

I did acquire a Rikenon f/2 50mm P lens that is small and very sweet that I hope to test out sometime soon.
It's just hard to be motivated when it's hot and the days are so long and the light is harsh.  Guess I should think about using some of my old HIE that lurks around in a drawer here.
 8)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 02, 2018, 06:11:08 PM
temperatures were up in the high 20's C both days Francois, so not too shabby...

It's reported to be the fastest growing music festival in the UK, Brian... only been going for 4 years, so not yet attracting the huge acts. I've been to the last 3, and the Blues stage is always a big draw for me... This year's blues headliner was Govt Mule, but I saw them with Kenny Wayne Shepherd last year, so went for Fish on the prog stage (was a huge Marillion fan back in the day). 
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 02, 2018, 08:54:35 PM
Every year we usually have 2 big festivals. Oceagga and HeavyMTL.
But they're building a new site on the island (the former administration thought it would be nice to cut down 1000 mature trees to make space for a concrete slab!) and I don't know if it will be ready enough this year...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 03, 2018, 02:56:35 PM
When I say it's too hot, just look at what I found in my car!  ;)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on July 03, 2018, 03:31:29 PM
When I say it's too hot, just look at what I found in my car!  ;)

Now you can use it for 16mm film.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on July 03, 2018, 04:48:27 PM
That gave me an idea Francois, something I've been thinking about for a while.  I cut off the bottom of one 35mm film canister, heated the top of the other then shoved one into the other to make a 120 film can.  The hardest part is getting it started, a metal tool to widen the opening once it's heated helps.  These are going in my film bag.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: jojonas~ on July 03, 2018, 06:44:13 PM
nice 120 film holders! I've seen others do those but never seen heating before. much more slick looking than just taping them together ;)

status update on me: I still shoot film (a lot) but I don't have the same time as before to be social and very much so not on a computer. I've tried using my old iphone for forums but it just takes too much time. I'm mostly on instagram and I upload to flickr then and again
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 03, 2018, 09:06:29 PM
When I say it's too hot, just look at what I found in my car!  ;)

Now you can use it for 16mm film.
I knew it would fool someone  ;D

Too bad April isn't at this time of the year  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Actually, this is not something I actually left in my car... it's more something I hatched last night before going to bed. I made it by cutting the plastic lid from a can of spray paint in the proper shape. A Kodak lid just fits perfectly on the center hub and it gives the illusion of a melted can  ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 04, 2018, 06:13:09 PM
Thomas Wynn & the believers.............. discovery no.1  :)
GUN.................................................. solid performance.
Therapy?........................................... forgettable.  :(
Skinny Molly...................................... unforgettable.
The Cadillac three............................... entertainingly energetic.
Steve Earle & the Dukes...................... legends.
The Kris Barras band.......................... discovery no.2  ;D
Sons of Apollo.................................... too much technique, not enough feeling.  :(
Blackberry Smoke.............................. What a band..!
Fish.................................................. What a man..!
The Cult............................................ What a performance..!

Any of these float yer boat..? If not, why not..?
Anything else on the line-up (link above) that you'd have chosen instead..?

Can't comment much as Fish is probably the only one I've heard. There's so many good artists around it's difficult to keep on top of them. I don't get to much live music these days either - used to, back in the day. Mostly I listen from the PC via a half-decent T-amp with a built in DAC and some decent (albeit home-made) speakers. I spend far too much time browsing YouTube for music. A few of examples of my current listening:

Cory Henry & Yoran Vroom - Heart at Midnight (https://youtu.be/B38PFqNI_WY)
Kaleo "Way Down We Go" (https://youtu.be/xfLdXqQSnEg)
Big Big Train performing Judas Unrepentant (https://youtu.be/n_i-uqGNzgU)
Pete Jones - Guide Vocal & Firth of Fifth (https://youtu.be/nUm8x7YPTBQ)
Hauser & Petrit Çeku - Tango en Skai (https://youtu.be/F6h9dCRL4NM)
Peter Gabriel with Paula Cole HD Don t Give Up (https://youtu.be/98lNKjwYtaU)

Sorry, that's more than I intended - couldn't stop. But there's something for everyone in that list.


Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: MiguelCampano on July 04, 2018, 07:10:41 PM
Kaleo is very good. I'm also listening to a group called The Ballroom Thieves, which has a similar acoustic-ish vibe.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 04, 2018, 09:17:00 PM
I can't really say much 'cause these days I'm re-discovering old New Wave electro-pop bands of my childhood.
I guess it's nostalgia in a sense, but the music was surprisingly good in those days when you compare to the junk some kids listen to (I'm thinking of all those pre-fabricated pop singers and boy bands that saturate the airwaves).

And back in those days, the videos were often works of art in themselves. Some were even made by famous photographers like Desireless - Voyage Voyage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PDmZnG8KsM&list=PLEXox2R2RxZKyTTlt3kxvtJbI_Cw1K1IX&index=280&t=0s) that was made by Bettina Rheims
and
New Order - Blue Monday (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVkq8IEO4tc&t=0s&index=2&list=PLEXox2R2RxZKyTTlt3kxvtJbI_Cw1K1IX) that features what I think is William Wegman's dogs.

Granted a lot of them were one hit wonders, but what hits!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 05, 2018, 11:03:50 AM
A few of examples of my current listening:

Cory Henry & Yoran Vroom - Heart at Midnight (https://youtu.be/B38PFqNI_WY)
Kaleo "Way Down We Go" (https://youtu.be/xfLdXqQSnEg)
Big Big Train performing Judas Unrepentant (https://youtu.be/n_i-uqGNzgU)
Pete Jones - Guide Vocal & Firth of Fifth (https://youtu.be/nUm8x7YPTBQ)
Hauser & Petrit Çeku - Tango en Skai (https://youtu.be/F6h9dCRL4NM)
Peter Gabriel with Paula Cole HD Don t Give Up (https://youtu.be/98lNKjwYtaU)

Sorry, that's more than I intended - couldn't stop. But there's something for everyone in that list.

I'm afraid I only recognise a couple of names on your list, Peter.
I first heard Kaleo when "Way down" was used on some skincare or cosmetic ad on TV. Listened to a few tracks on Spotify and then bought the album, which is now a firm favourite.
Peter Gabriel is always worth a spin, as is Paula Cole (This Fire is a great album)..

Sorry Francois, but with extraordinarily few exceptions, electro-pop leaves me cold... but I'm definitely with you on the pre-fabricated saccharine shyte that record company execs are using to line their pockets..! Sadly, it seems the music business is more about the business than the music... just a spin-off from reality TV and "talent" shows. How many of today's fame-hungry pop poppets will go on to have 30-40 year careers..? 
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 05, 2018, 03:29:42 PM
Sadly, probably more than we would expect.... I'm really surprised to see that Bieber has lasted so long....

I think that electro-pop is really more of a regional thing. During the 80's Montreal was probably the Mecca of electro pop and new wave. We had so many bands that got international recognition in those days. And that is in every subgenres you can imagine. From The Box to Men without hats, we had it all.

We also had a few world class recording studios. There was even one in my home town!
And we also had one of the best in the world about two hours north. Le Studio in Morin Heights was really up there with Abbey Road. It was used many times by Rush and even had Keith Richards as a regular!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 05, 2018, 04:31:08 PM
Paula Cole (This Fire is a great album)..

So I had to go look that up as I hadn't heard it - except "Where Have All the Cowboys Gone" of course. Found myself listening to several more artists from the era (that's the trouble with YouTube, there's always another link you just have to check out) and thence to Edie Brickell (I've got some of her stuff) and then found out she had made albums with Steve Martin - which I didn't know - and then to this Tiny Desk concert (https://youtu.be/ZyHipL45pwM) which is worth watching, even if you don't like the banjo. And if you do like the banjo then check out Abigail Washburn (https://youtu.be/oj_WIqZc9KA) and if you like Abigail Washburn then check this out (https://youtu.be/uymTSOYYYC0) for something completely left field. Did I mention I have a wide taste in music?

Edit: Just thought I'd add that that last link probably sums up what music means to me. To flip what Ansel Adams said (and introduce a bit of photography as well), the score is the negative and the performance is the print. And just as a good printer can work wonders with a print, sometimes the performance transcends the score and I think that's a good example. And for me, often the performance is really what matters. The Peter Gabriel/Paula Cole link I posted earlier is another example.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 05, 2018, 09:25:45 PM
And just to send you deeper in the rabbit hole, Edie Brickel used to be with a group called The New Bohemians until she married Paul Simon...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 05, 2018, 09:49:25 PM
And just to send you deeper in the rabbit hole, Edie Brickel used to be with a group called The New Bohemians until she married Paul Simon...
Yes. I've been a fan since her video was included on the Windows 95 CD - when was that, mid 90s?

https://youtu.be/iqL1BLzn3qc
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 05, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
And this is when she was with the New Bohemians in the early 90's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDl3bdE3YQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDl3bdE3YQA)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 06, 2018, 12:36:42 PM
...even if you don't like the banjo...
Was looking to post a link to Billy Connolly's piece about being a banjo player, but I'm at work and YouTube is blocked... But I guess talk of banjo via "Big Yin" leads us towards one of the most recognisable intros in the history of recorded music... Any guesses as to the song and the missing link in the chain..?

(for the avoidance of confusion - there's no banjo in the aforementioned intro..!)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 06, 2018, 04:34:21 PM
But I guess talk of banjo via "Big Yin" leads us towards one of the most recognisable intros in the history of recorded music... Any guesses as to the song and the missing link in the chain..?

Off the top of my head, the most instantly recognisable intro would be Baba O'Riley by The Who but I've no idea of a link to the Big Yin. Probably wrong anyway...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: astrobeck on July 06, 2018, 06:12:39 PM
wow!
thanks to you guys, namely Peter R, I've discovered Kaleo. Big thanks for that one.
I'm a Bluegrass fan for the most part, so not sure where I fit in this group, but I listen to everything except Rap, which I just don't get.
Saying that, I also love  ELP, Bowie and Steve Winwood, especially if he is helped out with ol slow Hand himself.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT-SFgkVlno (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT-SFgkVlno)

In other local news, the monsoon season has started here, so instead of it being in the high 90's it's in the mid 70's. Much more accommodating for film wasting.



Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 06, 2018, 07:17:12 PM
But I guess talk of banjo via "Big Yin" leads us towards one of the most recognisable intros in the history of recorded music... Any guesses as to the song and the missing link in the chain..?

Off the top of my head, the most instantly recognisable intro would be Baba O'Riley by The Who but I've no idea of a link to the Big Yin. Probably wrong anyway...
The intro is "Baker Street"... the missing link is Glaswegian folk/rock band The Humblebums, featuring Billy Connolly and Gerry Rafferty.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 06, 2018, 09:05:31 PM
but I listen to everything except Rap, which I just don't get.
In other local news, the monsoon season has started here, so instead of it being in the high 90's it's in the mid 70's. Much more accommodating for film wasting.
I totally understand. Out of all the Rap artist out there, the only band I understand is the Beastie Boys. But I think it's because they were so experimental and inventive when compared to the rest.

The heat has finally gone back to normal overnight... But at least it gave me time to sort through my CD collection and give away what I no longer cared about.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 06, 2018, 09:46:14 PM
But I guess talk of banjo via "Big Yin" leads us towards one of the most recognisable intros in the history of recorded music... Any guesses as to the song and the missing link in the chain..?

Off the top of my head, the most instantly recognisable intro would be Baba O'Riley by The Who but I've no idea of a link to the Big Yin. Probably wrong anyway...
The intro is "Baker Street"... the missing link is Glaswegian folk/rock band The Humblebums, featuring Billy Connolly and Gerry Rafferty.

Ah! Right... We could have a pub quiz if you have any more like that.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 07, 2018, 09:06:01 PM
Ah! Right... We could have a pub quiz if you have any more like that.
We could, but Francois has already highlighted the lack of beer, so I'm not sure how you'd convince me to stay..!  :-\
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 07, 2018, 09:24:50 PM
Well....... I guess it wouldn't be much of a pub quiz would it  ::)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: DazzlingDave on July 08, 2018, 06:42:19 AM
But I guess talk of banjo via "Big Yin" leads us towards one of the most recognisable intros in the history of recorded music... Any guesses as to the song and the missing link in the chain..?

Off the top of my head, the most instantly recognisable intro would be Baba O'Riley by The Who but I've no idea of a link to the Big Yin. Probably wrong anyway...
Or Eric Bell's guitar intro on Whiskey In The Jar by Thin Lizzy
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: KevinAllan on July 08, 2018, 03:27:00 PM
Saying that, I also love  ELP, Bowie and Steve Winwood, especially if he is helped out with ol slow Hand himself.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT-SFgkVlno (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT-SFgkVlno)

Thanks for that link Becky - I've been a big fan or Eric Clapton, along with Bob Dylan and Van Morrison, for the last 35 years or so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y)

That video also gave me, as "up next", Prince, Steve Winwood, Jeff Lynne and others playing "While My Guitar Gently Weeps". For me that clip comes alive when Prince takes the lead at 3.28 and never lets go.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 08, 2018, 09:31:42 PM
But I guess talk of banjo via "Big Yin" leads us towards one of the most recognisable intros in the history of recorded music... Any guesses as to the song and the missing link in the chain..?

Off the top of my head, the most instantly recognisable intro would be Baba O'Riley by The Who but I've no idea of a link to the Big Yin. Probably wrong anyway...
Or Eric Bell's guitar intro on Whiskey In The Jar by Thin Lizzy
Seems we've inadvertently stumbled upon a debate over what might be regarded the most instantly recognisable intro...
This is getting a bit more like a real pub...
Good call, Dave... top tune.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: astrobeck on July 08, 2018, 11:29:05 PM
Saying that, I also love  ELP, Bowie and Steve Winwood, especially if he is helped out with ol slow Hand himself.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT-SFgkVlno (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT-SFgkVlno)

Thanks for that link Becky - I've been a big fan or Eric Clapton, along with Bob Dylan and Van Morrison, for the last 35 years or so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y)

That video also gave me, as "up next", Prince, Steve Winwood, Jeff Lynne and others playing "While My Guitar Gently Weeps". For me that clip comes alive when Prince takes the lead at 3.28 and never lets go.

Interesting you posted that clip...I remember once hearing an interview with Eric Clapton and the interviewer asked him who he thought was the best guitar player.....his reply..."Prince"
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 09, 2018, 02:52:06 PM
I must say Prince was definitely one of a kind and so talented in many ways.
But if there was a contest for best guitarist, I'd be hard pressed to choose.
Bruce Cockburn is pretty darn good. So is Mark Knoffler from Dire Straights.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 09, 2018, 06:50:05 PM
But if there was a contest for best guitarist, I'd be hard pressed to choose.

Same here, Francois. Much like favourite photographers, I have a list of favourite guitarists as long as my arm... and the list continues to grow year on year...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 09, 2018, 09:00:58 PM
And they all have their own individual sound, which makes things harder to sort out.
And then there is the living-dead option. Jimi was incredibly talented but all we have left are records. I remember Paul McCartney talking about him in an interview and he was still really impressed. From memory, the Beatles had just released Sergent Pepper the night before. They went to see Hendrix play and to their amazement he had listened to their album, memorized it from start to finish in less than 24 hours and played it back to the audience without missing a beat! Now that's simply incredible.

But on the living side, Jimmy Page is still as good as he ever was. Jack White is nothing to sneeze at. Alex Lifeson is really underestimated.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: AJShepherd on July 09, 2018, 10:30:20 PM
Mention of Jimmy Page makes me wonder if anyone had seen this article about his London home.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jul/08/stairway-to-heaven-jimmy-page-castle-is-his-home-led-zeppelin (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jul/08/stairway-to-heaven-jimmy-page-castle-is-his-home-led-zeppelin)

When it comes to guitarists, I've always got a soft spot for Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser, architect of another classic riff!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: astrobeck on July 09, 2018, 11:11:08 PM
raising hand as another Mark Knopfler fan...he makes it look so easy!

as far as instantly recognizable intro riffs....there's Bon Jovi's "Livin' on a Prayer", it's not a long intro, but it does set a stage....
then there's that iconic twelth fret harmonic of ELP's "From the Beginning"....swoon!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 09, 2018, 11:24:27 PM
For me it's really hard to pick an easily identifiable intro to any song as I tend to have a good memory for things like that... so in a way I tend to remember most of the ones I hear...
A friend once put me to a challenge over the phone. He would play me a bit of an MP3 and I'd have to tell him what the song was. I must have had about an upper 80% success rate. And if I don't remember the artist or the track title, I can usually sing it. I don't know if I'd be as good as I once was with the 50's music but I can definitely get a lot of them right.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 10, 2018, 08:20:26 AM
And then there is the living-dead option.

Being dead is not a good enough reason for exclusion from the favourites list.

raising hand as another Mark Knopfler fan...he makes it look so easy!

Indeed he does Becky. And he makes my list too.

People seem to be largely impressed by speed, but I like a guitarist who can slow it right down. People like David Gilmore or Buddy Guy or "slowhand" himself, that man Clapton, who recognise the importance of the spaces between the notes. They're the ones who's music touches the soul.  8) 
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Jeff Warden on July 10, 2018, 03:31:08 PM
Since we're talkin', let's talk books too.

I recently finished The Overstory by Richard Powers. If I judge the power of a book by its ability to change the way I think about an elemental thing (in this case trees) then this book is one of the strongest I've read. Now I wonder how I could have gone this long knowing nothing at all about trees and how incredible they are.

http://www.richardpowers.net/the-overstory/ (http://www.richardpowers.net/the-overstory/)


“Monumental…The Overstory accomplishes what few living writers from either camp, art or science, could attempt. Using the tools of the story, he pulls readers heart-first into a perspective so much longer-lived and more subtly developed than the human purview that we gain glimpses of a vast, primordial sensibility, while watching our own kind get whittled down to size…A gigantic fable of genuine truths.” —Barbara Kingsolver, New York Times Book Review (cover review)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 15, 2018, 09:13:04 PM
Anybody watch the world cup finale?
Traffic was backed-up as far as the eye can see...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 15, 2018, 09:19:38 PM
Anybody watch the world cup finale?
Traffic was backed-up as far as the eye can see...

No, I haven't exactly payed any attention to it. Plus, it clashed with Wimbledon so why would anyone want to watch it?
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 15, 2018, 10:43:55 PM
I don't know but there was a ton of Frenchmen who were really partying in Montreal!
I really feel bad for those who live in the Plateau district where most of them live... there won't be much sleep to be had tonight for them...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 16, 2018, 10:18:22 AM
Anybody watch the world cup finale?

No, I haven't exactly payed any attention to it. Plus, it clashed with Wimbledon so why would anyone want to watch it?

The biggest problem with football is that it's just not cricket, old chap...
The second biggest problem is that they're using the wrong shaped ball, and players aren't allowed to pick it up and run with it..!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on July 16, 2018, 01:32:37 PM
Lately I’ve been wondering what the future is going to be for these sports that inflict head injuries.  The quarterback for my Alma mater, WSU, recently committed suicide.  That’s American football but the same injuries happen in both as well as boxing and I’m sure rugby.  After an autaupsy they found he had the brain of a senior citizen.  One of the symptoms of traumatic brain injury is depression.  I can’t immagine that mother’s armed with this type of information are going to keep letting their children play these sports. 
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 16, 2018, 03:30:17 PM
Anybody watch the world cup finale?

No, I haven't exactly payed any attention to it. Plus, it clashed with Wimbledon so why would anyone want to watch it?

The biggest problem with football is that it's just not cricket, old chap...
The second biggest problem is that they're using the wrong shaped ball, and players aren't allowed to pick it up and run with it..!
I'm just trying to imagine soccer players either playing using a stick or playing on ice.....

And that whole head injury thing is all because the players are not woodpeckers :)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 16, 2018, 04:58:23 PM
Hey!
I just found this
https://petapixel.com/2018/07/16/fujifilm-launches-film-simulation-instant-noodles/

Anyone up for some Provia flavored ramen noodles?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on July 16, 2018, 05:51:20 PM
Hey!
I just found this
https://petapixel.com/2018/07/16/fujifilm-launches-film-simulation-instant-noodles/

Anyone up for some Provia flavored ramen noodles?  ;D ;D ;D

I've never tasted my Provia so I'm not sure what it's supposed to taste like.  Using instant noodles would make more sense if it was promoting Instax film. 
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 16, 2018, 09:18:05 PM
If it tastes like it smells, it can't really be any good for you :)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 19, 2018, 08:59:19 PM
Any bread makers here?
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 19, 2018, 10:21:18 PM
So far, I know Ed's is past master in that field... he even feeds his yeast to keep them happy!

Personally, I'd love to make my own. It smells so good when it rises and cooks. But we have had a broken oven for quite some time now. We tried changing it but the new ones aren't the same size so we'd have to rebuild all the kitchen cabinets to get one in. And if we want to replace the built-in hot-plate for a regular range, we just can't because the stupid contractor layed the air ducts just under the cabinets... above floor level  >:(
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on July 19, 2018, 10:33:48 PM
I make No-knead bread every now and then, usually a caraway rye.  I don't keep the yeast as a pet, I get it out of a packet from the grocery store.  I used to have a bread machine but I got rid of it after making my first loaf of No-knead bread. 

https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/11376-no-knead-bread (https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/11376-no-knead-bread)

https://wholespice.com/blog/recipes/no-knead-caraway-rye-bread-its-easier-than-you-think/ (https://wholespice.com/blog/recipes/no-knead-caraway-rye-bread-its-easier-than-you-think/)

Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: astrobeck on July 19, 2018, 10:55:22 PM
occasional bread baker...
used to keep yeast as pets, even tried capturing some in the wild, which turned into a never do that again experiment.

Lately it's more cake baking.
Italian Cream cake, upside down pineapple, carrot...just a few I like
 
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 20, 2018, 07:39:28 AM
I make cakes too. Have done for years, but bread is a recent thing for me.

What's become apparent is the multitude of techniques pushed by various bread 'experts' so was interested to know what others use.

I'm aware of Jim Lahey's no knead methods but I don't see me being organised enough to start making bread the previous day so it can rest overnight. James Morton (he's English) suggests a similar method but using more yeast so it doesn't take so long but then says put it in the fridge overnight to slow it down - slow proving makes tastier bread he says. Does it? Morton is also a 'wetter is better' man and goes for a very wet, sticky, dough. Richard Bertinet (he's French) also goes for a wet dough but has a completely different method of kneading to 'include air' in the dough (I thought it was the yeast creating CO2 that made it rise. Why do we need air in it?). Then there's Paul Hollywood (he's English too) who is much more traditional but uses oil to stop the dough sticking when kneading. My one experience of using oil in bread gave it a horrible taste so I'm avoiding that method.

Seems to me I need to become a full time baker just to try all these conflicting ideas. And that's before we get on to sour dough or soda bread.

So far I've just about mastered a basic white loaf using traditional methods. I've found the bread is a bit too chewy for me though (Morton says it should be) and then doesn't toast well which is significant for me because I probably eat more bread toasted than fresh. So for my most recent effort I substituted 20% of the bread flour for plain (all purpose) flour and that made a softer loaf which toasted better. Apparently, adding fat also produces a softer bread. Adding butter or using whole milk instead of water is supposed to work. More things I need to try.

So I'm interested in what methods others use.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Indofunk on July 20, 2018, 12:59:32 PM
Funny this topic came up just now ... I've never been much of a baker, more of a cook. I can do anything with a pan and heat and vegetables, but I've always been afraid of the oven and have only used it to roast vegetables ;D However, just last week I bought a few packets of yeast and tried to make some naan (I figured that's a good "transition" bread ... I can make non-yeast flatbreads well, and naan is just a flatbread with yeast added), and it came out well enough that I ordered a pizza stone ;D It will be arriving on Monday and I'll report back next week on all the failed pizzas I attempt to make ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on July 21, 2018, 01:03:32 AM
Funny this topic came up just now ... I've never been much of a baker, more of a cook. I can do anything with a pan and heat and vegetables, but I've always been afraid of the oven and have only used it to roast vegetables ;D However, just last week I bought a few packets of yeast and tried to make some naan (I figured that's a good "transition" bread ... I can make non-yeast flatbreads well, and naan is just a flatbread with yeast added), and it came out well enough that I ordered a pizza stone ;D It will be arriving on Monday and I'll report back next week on all the failed pizzas I attempt to make ;D

The biggest difference I've found between cooking and baking is that baking requires more precise measurements.  I do like naan, I may have to give that a shot sometime. 
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 21, 2018, 10:12:39 AM
Fresh from the oven this morning

(https://i.imgur.com/JDZ4Qvd.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1ULAr0x.jpg)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 21, 2018, 02:08:27 PM
Yummy.
Now all you need is the Collin Furze bread toasting knife to go with that  ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 25, 2018, 09:17:38 PM
For those of you without any sense of smell, knowledge in decontamination practices and a total disregard for your own health, I have found the deal of the century on a set of 2 Hasselblads!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/232855932578 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/232855932578)

And yes, that is fungus on the lenses... and on the cameras... and everywhere.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: kentish cob on July 25, 2018, 10:29:46 PM
For those of you without any sense of smell, knowledge in decontamination practices and a total disregard for your own health, I have found the deal of the century on a set of 2 Hasselblads!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/232855932578 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/232855932578)

And yes, that is fungus on the lenses... and on the cameras... and everywhere.

 "Condition: acceptable"... Who the hell decided that..?
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on July 25, 2018, 11:24:33 PM
49 bids and it's at $466!  Why would anyone even want it at all?
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 26, 2018, 02:17:41 PM
Well, if someone manages to get them clean and in working order and sell one of them,  there is the hope of maybe turning out a profit.
But I think it's going to be tough to do while wearing a hazmat suit!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Jeff Warden on July 26, 2018, 04:03:25 PM
Two loaves per week here, from starter that I keep fed. It's a good way to keep healthy sandwich bread around for the kids.

Ed, Leanne and I were email baking chums with a few others, several years back. Ed is still active on Instagram, sharing wonderful bakes from his kitchen and making me wish we were neighbors.


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/858/42750133875_582061af58_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/288FBpH)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: astrobeck on July 26, 2018, 07:25:29 PM
Wow!
Those look great Peter and Jeff!
I'm wishing I was Jeff's neighbor.

I had forgotten about the baking forum...I was part of that too.
Now I want to bake a loaf.
I have some sourdough starter from the Oregon Trail in my freezer....off to the grocers for flour...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 26, 2018, 09:29:04 PM
Two loaves per week here, from starter that I keep fed.

I don't see me keeping a starter as a pet but intrigued to know why people like sour dough. What's the attraction?
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 26, 2018, 09:31:42 PM
Reminds me of my Grandma. I heard she used to cook the best nut bread using the nuts from the black walnut tree.
Even if I did find the same recipe, I can't find the same nuts anymore. The only place I knew one of those trees still existed was torn down and turned into a stockyard for a lumberyard...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: astrobeck on July 26, 2018, 09:41:04 PM
sourdough is tangy and and a teeny bit sour and has great body for amazing grilled cheese sandwiches...
I mostly use it for that...
I also like to use crumbs of it for stuffing....ah, so good!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 28, 2018, 04:02:29 PM
For those of you without any sense of smell, knowledge in decontamination practices and a total disregard for your own health, I have found the deal of the century on a set of 2 Hasselblads!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/232855932578 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/232855932578)

And yes, that is fungus on the lenses... and on the cameras... and everywhere.

 "Condition: acceptable"... Who the hell decided that..?
I just checked and the hammer dropped on these at 466.00$
I'm amazed at how much they fetched considering the condition. Heck, I'd rather pay a bit more to get one that actually works from the get go than trying to clean these up!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on July 28, 2018, 04:06:51 PM
I'm sure the inside doesn't look much better than the outside.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Jeff Warden on July 28, 2018, 05:07:55 PM
Two loaves per week here, from starter that I keep fed.

I don't see me keeping a starter as a pet but intrigued to know why people like sour dough. What's the attraction?


As a film shooter you know well the joys of doing things the hard way, so I think you need to keep a starter for your breads.   ;D

Sourdough doesn't have to be sour tasting, but often it is, depending on the recipe of course. Mine are not very sour.  Keeping the starter alive takes five minutes of work a week, which I'm willing to do because it smells wonderful and makes a lovely loaf. Give it a try!

Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 28, 2018, 09:16:38 PM
I wonder if the guy who bought those hasselblads could use all that fungus to make some bread starter?  ;D
Mushroom soup anyone?  ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: astrobeck on July 29, 2018, 05:15:39 PM
Two loaves per week here, from starter that I keep fed.

As a film shooter you know well the joys of doing things the hard way, so I think you need to keep a starter for your breads.   ;D

Sourdough doesn't have to be sour tasting, but often it is, depending on the recipe of course. Mine are not very sour.  Keeping the starter alive takes five minutes of work a week, which I'm willing to do because it smells wonderful and makes a lovely loaf. Give it a try!

Jeff, did you start your starter from scratch, or was it shared from someone else?
I'm  intrigued by starter that has been passed down through generations of bakers...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Jeff Warden on July 29, 2018, 06:28:31 PM
Two loaves per week here, from starter that I keep fed.

As a film shooter you know well the joys of doing things the hard way, so I think you need to keep a starter for your breads.   ;D

Sourdough doesn't have to be sour tasting, but often it is, depending on the recipe of course. Mine are not very sour.  Keeping the starter alive takes five minutes of work a week, which I'm willing to do because it smells wonderful and makes a lovely loaf. Give it a try!

Jeff, did you start your starter from scratch, or was it shared from someone else?
I'm  intrigued by starter that has been passed down through generations of bakers...

No I had to start this one myself and I guess it's about a year old now. I also like the idea of hand-me-downs!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Indofunk on July 29, 2018, 09:30:13 PM
I just bought a pizza stone this week and I've been making pizzas and/or baguettes every day :) I'm not ready to maintain a colony of yeast just yet, but I do need to perfect my bread making skills. My main complaint is that my crumb structure is very fine and dense, none of those large air bubbles that I love. Any tips? I've been using all purpose flour, but I'm going to get bread flour soon, in case that makes a difference...

Internet knowledge seems to suggest that steam in the oven can correct this, but I've tried tossing water onto a pan in the oven every few minutes, and tried keeping a pot full of water in the oven for the duration, and neither has helped.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 29, 2018, 09:42:42 PM
That's because the exterior of the dough hardens first so that no water can get in.
Maybe your dough is too dense to start with?
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on July 29, 2018, 09:50:06 PM
I just bought a pizza stone this week and I've been making pizzas and/or baguettes every day :) I'm not ready to maintain a colony of yeast just yet, but I do need to perfect my bread making skills. My main complaint is that my crumb structure is very fine and dense, none of those large air bubbles that I love. Any tips? I've been using all purpose flour, but I'm going to get bread flour soon, in case that makes a difference...

Internet knowledge seems to suggest that steam in the oven can correct this, but I've tried tossing water onto a pan in the oven every few minutes, and tried keeping a pot full of water in the oven for the duration, and neither has helped.

Bread flour would be the first thing I'd try. All purpose flour doesn't have the gluten to make the stretchiness necessary to hold the bubbles (at least, that's how I understand it). I haven't found adding steam makes much difference. Slashing the dough before putting it in the oven helps.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Indofunk on July 29, 2018, 10:06:59 PM
That's because the exterior of the dough hardens first so that no water can get in.
Maybe your dough is too dense to start with?

This is a possibility. I'm used to making Indian flatbreads like chapattis and pulkhas, their dough is pretty dense. I purposely make my pizza/baguette doughs much looser and stickier, but maybe they need to be even more ;D

I just bought a pizza stone this week and I've been making pizzas and/or baguettes every day :) I'm not ready to maintain a colony of yeast just yet, but I do need to perfect my bread making skills. My main complaint is that my crumb structure is very fine and dense, none of those large air bubbles that I love. Any tips? I've been using all purpose flour, but I'm going to get bread flour soon, in case that makes a difference...

Internet knowledge seems to suggest that steam in the oven can correct this, but I've tried tossing water onto a pan in the oven every few minutes, and tried keeping a pot full of water in the oven for the duration, and neither has helped.

Bread flour would be the first thing I'd try. All purpose flour doesn't have the gluten to make the stretchiness necessary to hold the bubbles (at least, that's how I understand it). I haven't found adding steam makes much difference. Slashing the dough before putting it in the oven helps.

Yeah, I slash my loaves. Pizza doesn't require slashing. The bottom of my pizzas tend to be pretty awesome (though they could be awesomer), it's the crust that needs more air :D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on July 29, 2018, 11:03:29 PM
Also, if you get to twirl it over your head will give you some extra points ;)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Indofunk on July 29, 2018, 11:17:11 PM
Also, if you get to twirl it over your head will give you some extra points ;)

That is, of course, the ultimate goal in this venture  ;)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Jeff Warden on July 30, 2018, 09:21:14 PM
Internet knowledge seems to suggest that steam in the oven can correct this, but I've tried tossing water onto a pan in the oven every few minutes, and tried keeping a pot full of water in the oven for the duration, and neither has helped.


Hey Satish, in this case I think the internet is right. I found my bread improved dramatically when I switched to baking in dutch ovens. For the first half of the bake the cover is on, capturing the moisture that the dough releases, and increasing the expansion. Then the second half of the bake is without the cover, which browns the loaf.

I normally don't slash my loaves, and they just burst through the crust on their own in an attractive way.

All my experimenting came after reading the excellent and recommended Flour Water Salt Yeast by Ken Forkish.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1780/43030154224_bd8cea6db3_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1773/43030157464_b6f4e80163_z.jpg)

https://www.amazon.com/Flour-Water-Salt-Yeast-Fundamentals/dp/160774273X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1532981957&sr=8-1&keywords=flour+water+salt+yeast+by+ken+forkish (https://www.amazon.com/Flour-Water-Salt-Yeast-Fundamentals/dp/160774273X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1532981957&sr=8-1&keywords=flour+water+salt+yeast+by+ken+forkish)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: cs1 on August 05, 2018, 10:05:54 AM
A quick non-bread related note: global warming is real, it has reached film development. I was stirring up a Caffenol brew but I only go 20 °C warm water from the tap. That's a first. I had to put the Caffenol into the fridge to cool it down to 20 °C. Normally our tap water is well below 15 °C.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: AJShepherd on August 05, 2018, 10:26:33 AM
A few weeks ago when I developed a roll of PanF I discovered that even after running it for a while the water from the cold tap was 23ºC, so I had to dig out a PDF from Ilford with a chart on it showing how to change developing times for different temperatures.

Been really too hot for my liking so not been out much with a camera lately.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: cs1 on August 05, 2018, 12:12:33 PM
I agree, it was incredibly hot. We were on holiday and I ended up using only a small camera that I hadn't expected to use much instead of my medium format camera. I just didn't feel like hauling it through the heat all the time.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on August 05, 2018, 01:40:54 PM
The tap water here is at about 22C, I’ve been adjusting the time like AJShepherd.  I’m in Cottage Grove, Oregon all summer where it hasn’t rained a drop since June 11 and this is the wet side of the mountains.  Every now and then the sky gets hazy with smoke from the wildfires.  Definitely ready for some cooler weather. 
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 05, 2018, 03:24:19 PM
Here too it's been simply too hot.
When you're a red head, just the idea of being in the sun by 40°c weather is just so not inspiring...
Last thing I want is to get heat stroke.

As for lowering the developer temperature, there is a trick.
The simplest is to keep an old soda ban filled with water in the fridge. I took an small can of vegetable juice which I filled with tap water and sealed with epoxy. When the developer is really too warm, I just dump the can in the middle of the graduate and wait for the temperature to drop.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: cs1 on August 05, 2018, 06:55:51 PM
That's good advice, François. For the second batch of Caffenol I put some water in the fridge first. Bryan, it's scary how the climate changed so noticeably. Lucky enough, today was rather pleasant. A light breeze and some clouds with rain in the morning. I managed to take my almost 3yo son on a hike in a kid carrier together with my trusty Canon F-1 with three glasses without suffering a heat stroke. That was quite nice.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 05, 2018, 09:11:44 PM
Today's really bad... staying inside trying to clean-up clutter.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: MiguelCampano on August 05, 2018, 11:36:54 PM
The heat was horrendous today. I headed towards a state park located about an hour from here, and instead of grabbing the new car, decided to use a $500 Honda Civic that my roommate and I bought as a "running errands" beater. It's a 1996 Civic Coupe, 200k miles on it and runs fantastic. The only issue is that it doesn't have a functioning A/C. I rolled the windows and started driving. 1 hour later I was home, completely drenched in sweat.

My roommate, a 6-tour veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan who carried 80+ lbs of gear in 100+ degree weather, left on his bike for a ride and came back 30 mins later. Too hot. Ironically, he doesn't believe in climate change...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Jeff Warden on August 06, 2018, 03:36:19 PM
Last week I also had to chill developer due to water from the tap being too hot.

Over the weekend I read an outstanding article on the subject (which might be behind a paywall, but the NYRB is so good I recommend sending them your money):

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/08/16/arctic-big-melt/ (https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/08/16/arctic-big-melt/)

:-)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 06, 2018, 06:39:55 PM
Just to give you an idea, my mom just checked the temperature outside... it's 100°F on the thermometer (she's still in Farenheit). She took the lazer thermometer I got her a few years ago and measured the temperature of the steering wheel in her car: 144°F......
Somehow, I don't know how it's related but Youtube suggested me this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PLbJ9g1uc0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PLbJ9g1uc0)

You just gotta love Aussie humor.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on August 08, 2018, 01:08:38 AM
Smoke is becoming a normal part of the weather forecast, they even have a smoke map.  We're going to start working on the cleanup of the fire near Redding, California later this month, not sure if I'll end up there yet. 

Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on August 08, 2018, 10:29:52 AM
Smoke is becoming a normal part of the weather forecast, they even have a smoke map.  We're going to start working on the cleanup of the fire near Redding, California later this month, not sure if I'll end up there yet.
Am I the only one who sees a mythical monster in that smoke map?
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on August 08, 2018, 01:10:36 PM
Smoke is becoming a normal part of the weather forecast, they even have a smoke map.  We're going to start working on the cleanup of the fire near Redding, California later this month, not sure if I'll end up there yet.
Am I the only one who sees a mythical monster in that smoke map?
Now I see it!  I think it’s going to eat Boise, Idaho.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 08, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
Either that or turn it to a crisp in one small puff.
Funny because this morning's cro-magnon brain of mine just thought that dragons might be the only mythical creature that eats all their food well done....
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on August 08, 2018, 10:51:40 PM
I've been watching the weather up at Crater Lake for the past few weeks, it's close enough to go up there on my day off.  On a clear day it's beautiful, a great place to waste some film.  So far every day has had smoke in the forecast, it looks like this weekend will be the same.  Below are web cam shots from this morning and this afternoon.  Every morning seems to start out with some visibility but by afternoon you can barely see the lake from the rim of the crater.

Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Bryan on August 08, 2018, 10:56:02 PM
This is what it should look like.  I shot this back in 2013 with an Olympus OM-1 using Kodak Portra 400. 

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7429/9368277646_e473cb5fb8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/fgQSyo)Crater Lake (https://flic.kr/p/fgQSyo) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 09, 2018, 02:57:03 PM
Just going there when there is so much smoke has got to take a few years off your life....
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: MiguelCampano on August 09, 2018, 03:01:12 PM
Just going there when there is so much smoke has got to take a few years off your life....

I laughed at this so hard because Satish and I always say that every time we develop C41, the fumes of the Blix takes away a few months of our lives  ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 09, 2018, 08:15:39 PM
Yeah, I know. The stuff is pretty nasty...
Title: Re: Bread
Post by: Pete_R on August 15, 2018, 08:56:24 PM
Meet the new member of the family. Just 12 hours old and already showing signs of activity.

I know I said I couldn't see me keeping pets but, well, you gotta try everything once.

The black things are grapes by the way. Apparently grape skins are a good source of natural yeast.

(https://i.imgur.com/pnvkRaD.jpg)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 15, 2018, 09:51:26 PM
I can see a few bubbles...
They look like some happy little yeast ;)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Indofunk on August 16, 2018, 12:39:36 AM
Nice! My culture is a week old now ;) And yes, grapes have yeast, just ask the entire wine industry! ;D
Title: Re: Is this right?
Post by: Pete_R on August 17, 2018, 11:26:18 AM
None of the books I've read have said anything about this happening...

(https://i.imgur.com/u7WfY2b.jpg)

It also smells terrible. Think I might start again.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Indofunk on August 17, 2018, 12:34:48 PM
That's normal. Bottom layer is the flour/water/yeast mix, middle layer is the alcohol produced as the yeast's liquid waste product, and the top layer is CO2 produced as the gaseous waste product. And I'm not sure what you mean by "terrible", but it'll definitely smell strong and musty. Keep going with it. You'll know you have a problem if it turns pink or green, otherwise you should be good.

Also, I hope you're not sealing the jar? It needs for air (CO2) to be able to escape or you may have an explosive time when you open it! (or worse, you may wake up one morning to find glass shards all over your kitchen)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 17, 2018, 02:28:37 PM
I can see that rubber gasket... 
I think you'd be better off removing it.
Yeast need air just like any organism. With all those CO2 bubbles the air in the jar must be getting pretty thick.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on August 17, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
I had the lid loose but sealed it down after one whiff of the smell. 'Musty' didn't even come close.

'fraid I committed infanticide and flushed it. I'm starting again. I think I'll use raisins this time - seems to be the recommended thing.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 17, 2018, 09:14:25 PM
You mean yeasticide...
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Pete_R on August 17, 2018, 09:28:04 PM
You mean yeasticide...

 :)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Indofunk on August 18, 2018, 02:44:05 AM
I still think that was a 100% viable culture. You probably would've had a much mellower scent if you'd left it covered more loosely. The covering is mostly to prevent unwanted bacteria from dropping in, so a towel or plastic wrap is completely sufficient.
 Just like us humans, yeast don't like to be suffocated by their excrement! ;D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 18, 2018, 03:06:25 PM
Lol  :D
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: jojonas~ on August 22, 2018, 11:07:22 AM
ooh, nifty thread. good idea francois :)

I've had summer vacation with the family but took another now to get some time in the newly built public darkroom. too bad they found asbestos on the ventilation pipes and decided to take care about that right now. I think it's been a long time since I been as dissapointed as when I first learnt of this. I was going there all hyped up this monday to get the key with 24h access!

oh well, maybe I'll fix my bronica that's been jammed for a good while now :P
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 22, 2018, 02:51:54 PM
I must admit that fixing a camera is never as relaxing as making a nice print.

Lately I've been slaving on a few projects that are not photo related.
I've been toying with an Arduino pro micro. I had to write a custom keyboard convertion file so that it can work with the localized keymap that we have in the province.

I've also been working on a fanzine that will contain pretty much every penny saving photo trick that I know...
When I began I didn't imagine that there would be so much stuff!
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: cs1 on August 22, 2018, 09:00:28 PM
Please let me know when your fanzine is ready, it sounds intriguing! :)

I still have parts to put my shutter tester into a case but I haven't found the time yet. Weather's too good to spend it fiddling with stuff inside the house. ;) What will you be doing with the Arduino Pro Micro?
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 22, 2018, 09:20:30 PM
I plan on putting on it a modified version of the DuckDuino project and use it to do some keystroke injections. I plan on having a series of switches that will give me the option between multiple scripts and an RGB LED indicator to let me know when the process has started and when the script is over. It's basically a glorified home made version of the Hak5 Rubber Ducky... it's used in testing for computer security, another one of my hobbies (I'm not good at it but still find it an interesting thing).

If I manage to make this work, I'll use part of the script to make a clone of the Loupedeck but this time probably using an Arduino Leonardo since it won't need to be as compact.

As for the shutter tester, I'm still waiting for that darn part from China... it's supposed to arrive on the 30th at the most. I can't wait to get it in order to finish the project. I know I'll have to re-wire the whole thing and make a new sensor block. But as long as I don't have the part in my hands, I can't do a thing.

Is it just me or has shipping from China been very slow for a while?
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: jojonas~ on August 23, 2018, 12:37:49 PM
ooh, exciting with the arduino stuff. I was just looking at some stuff while in a shop yesterday after looking what kevin kadooka was up to nowadays (putting a mamiya lens on an instax square body, feels very much like him).
it would be cool to tinker with that stuff. maybe I'll get into it next year, we've gone from one to two persons with jobs now in the household and besides moving to a bigger flat I should have a little bit more money on hand in the future :)

might start off with raspberry, anyone tried that before? anyway, I haven't noticed people saying that chipment from china has taken longer. maybe it's just the big mass of stuff from there clogging up the postal systems. I know it's been a problem here in Sweden with everyone buying piles of cheap stuff that they just chug in padded envelopes.

Keep us posted on the fanzine thing, francois! sounds like proper filmwasters spirit soaking through that thing :)
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 23, 2018, 02:51:22 PM
Like usual,I will try my best :)
But since I'm doing everything with with glue and scissors, it's taking a long time.
I also have been decorating the pages so expect a bit of a sensory overload.

As for the raspberry pi, my mom has one and it's quite surprising. I put in the fastest micro SD card I could find and the performance is quite something. Boots faster than windows. You can do a lot of things with it. She uses it as a desktop and it works well for that. But the best part is how this thing makes you feel. It reminds me a lot of my commodore 64.
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: jojonas~ on August 24, 2018, 12:50:59 PM
a good feel! yeah I guess I have friends that use them raspberries as emulation consoles
Title: Re: The talking room
Post by: Francois on August 24, 2018, 02:51:59 PM
Yeah, retropie is pretty neat. I compiled it on my old netbook that runs Lubuntu. It took a few hours to get it installed but it works fine.