Topic: First Hasselblad that went to space goes to auction

[ManuelL]

Here is the article:
http://petapixel.com/2014/10/28/first-hasselblad-space-auction-comes-first-zeiss-lens-space/

A bit out of budget for me. 

[Cadha13]

I would like to see the first Minolta in space personally.

That Hassy is still a nice find, but who want's to go to the Moon with me to pick up the cameras left there?

[Late Developer]

As far as I'm aware, there's only ever been Hasselblads and Nikons in space.  Can't remember where I read it but I'm sure someone said that after all this time exposed to all manner of radiation, it probably wouldn't be a great idea to handle / use cameras salvaged from space.

[charles binns]

As far as I'm aware, there's only ever been Hasselblads and Nikons in space.  Can't remember where I read it but I'm sure someone said that after all this time exposed to all manner of radiation, it probably wouldn't be a great idea to handle / use cameras salvaged from space.

Health and safety gone mad    Wouldn't mind taking a holga into space.

[Late Developer]

As far as I'm aware, there's only ever been Hasselblads and Nikons in space.  Can't remember where I read it but I'm sure someone said that after all this time exposed to all manner of radiation, it probably wouldn't be a great idea to handle / use cameras salvaged from space.

Health and safety gone mad    Wouldn't mind taking a holga into space.

Charles, I have to use black insulation tape to stop the back falling off my Holga.  Also, the strap has a knack of detaching itself from the lugs and the plastic lens isn't as sharp as a pinhole camera.  Much as I like the quirkiness of Holgas, I doubt they would make it off the launch platform. If I were going into space (no chance, I get a nosebleed on a thick carpet) I would want something a tad more robust 

[AJShepherd]

Though a Holga got close.

[Francois]

Can't remember where I read it but I'm sure someone said that after all this time exposed to all manner of radiation, it probably wouldn't be a great idea to handle / use cameras salvaged from space.

It actually wouldn't cause much of a problem. Thing is there is a big difference between exposition to radiation and exposition to radioactive materials.
In itself, radiation is not cumulative when it comes to non-living organisms. The way it hurts living stuff is that the high energy photons and free neutrons impact the living thing's DNA and break it apart rapidly causing all sort of mutations and malfunctions. But if it has no DNA, it just passes through.
Now exposure to radioactive dust is a whole other story. In itself it won't affect non living things either. But the problem comes when we manipulate the object. The radioactive dust sticks to our skin and keeps on emitting rays. And once the stuff gets into your system it's really bad.

Just as an example, there are a lot of foods, especially meats that get an irradiation treatment. We eat it and are just fine. This is also used a lot in the medical field when it comes to sterilizing  implants.
And then, there's Chernobyl... totally different thing.

[Bryan]

Having just cleaned up radioactive waste from an idiots apartment I would think that if the camera is sealed well you could remove the radioactive dust from the surface of it.  Like Francois said the exposure to radiation would not have much of an affect to the object, it would just pass through it.  I',m not sure if that would deteriorate materials in the camera but it wouldn't leave radiation inside.  I wonder if it was left out exposed to the elements or is it stowed inside something where it would be protected.  I would think the exposure to extreme temperatures would likely cause more damage. 

[charles binns]

As far as I'm aware, there's only ever been Hasselblads and Nikons in space.  Can't remember where I read it but I'm sure someone said that after all this time exposed to all manner of radiation, it probably wouldn't be a great idea to handle / use cameras salvaged from space.

Health and safety gone mad    Wouldn't mind taking a holga into space.

Charles, I have to use black insulation tape to stop the back falling off my Holga.  Also, the strap has a knack of detaching itself from the lugs and the plastic lens isn't as sharp as a pinhole camera.  Much as I like the quirkiness of Holgas, I doubt they would make it off the launch platform. If I were going into space (no chance, I get a nosebleed on a thick carpet) I would want something a tad more robust 

It'd be fine.  You don't need a strap in space (you can't drop it don't forget) and just tape the thing up before take off.

[Francois]

Having just cleaned up radioactive waste from an idiots apartment I would think that if the camera is sealed well you could remove the radioactive dust from the surface of it.

Who the heck is stupid enough to play with stuff like this?
The most radioactive stuff I have are my smoke detector and the glow in the dark needle on my watch!

[Bryan]

Having just cleaned up radioactive waste from an idiots apartment I would think that if the camera is sealed well you could remove the radioactive dust from the surface of it.

Who the heck is stupid enough to play with stuff like this?
The most radioactive stuff I have are my smoke detector and the glow in the dark needle on my watch!

He was making yellow cake Uranium in his apartment and trying to sell it on Ebay until the FBI and NRC paid him a visit.  He made a mess of the apartment. 

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/10/13/3426153/epa-cleans-up-radioactive-material.html

[Francois]

What an moron. It's not because you see stuff on the internet that you should try and do it!
People simply have no clue about what they're doing when they handle chemicals of this nature. And they have no clue of the risks they pose for their neighbors.

[mcduff]

Ok Bryan that is a bloody crazy story!

[Bryan]

What an moron. It's not because you see stuff on the internet that you should try and do it!
People simply have no clue about what they're doing when they handle chemicals of this nature. And they have no clue of the risks they pose for their neighbors.

I thought I had seen it all and then this came along.  We deal with "Mad Chemists" all the time but this one takes the prize.

[gothamtomato]

He was making yellow cake Uranium in his apartment and trying to sell it on Ebay until the FBI and NRC paid him a visit.  He made a mess of the apartment. 

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/10/13/3426153/epa-cleans-up-radioactive-material.html

Well, I suppose he can forget about getting his security deposit back then.

[Francois]

And a lot of other things...

But on the up side, from now on if he ever looses the backup of all his digicam photos he just has to ask the NSA for a copy 

[Aksel]

As this went a  bit off topic and some of you might actually have a clue - I trust filmwaster way more than the internet, don´t ask me why 
My Aero-Ektar that I octagonally use on my Graflex is supposed to be radioactive, but how bad is it?
No good to carry it in my bag when hiking? Don´t keep it under the pillow or get rid of it if I should have any wish to reproduce within the next decade?

[Bryan]

As this went a  bit off topic and some of you might actually have a clue - I trust filmwaster way more than the internet, don´t ask me why 
My Aero-Ektar that I octagonally use on my Graflex is supposed to be radioactive, but how bad is it?
No good to carry it in my bag when hiking? Don´t keep it under the pillow or get rid of it if I should have any wish to reproduce within the next decade?

Camerapedia has a great article on it: http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Radioactive_lenses  We're all exposed to background radiation every day of our lives.  As long as you don't eat the lens you should be ok. 

[tkmedia]

As far as I'm aware, there's only ever been Hasselblads and Nikons in space.  Can't remember where I read it but I'm sure someone said that after all this time exposed to all manner of radiation, it probably wouldn't be a great idea to handle / use cameras salvaged from space.

True.. but there was the Ansco Autoset made by Minolta (himatic) used by John Glenn for the Mercury space flight. There is also the Minolta α-8700i / Maxxum 8000i / Dynax 8000i that accompanied a Japanese reporter. A white Mir space station edition was released. Zeiss Contarex ... modified Kodak stereo..

[Francois]

As this went a  bit off topic and some of you might actually have a clue - I trust filmwaster way more than the internet, don´t ask me why 
My Aero-Ektar that I octagonally use on my Graflex is supposed to be radioactive, but how bad is it?
No good to carry it in my bag when hiking? Don´t keep it under the pillow or get rid of it if I should have any wish to reproduce within the next decade?

Camerapedia has a great article on it: http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Radioactive_lenses  We're all exposed to background radiation every day of our lives.  As long as you don't eat the lens you should be ok.

That also means you should get rig of the bad habit of licking your lenses to get them clean...

[Aksel]

As this went a  bit off topic and some of you might actually have a clue - I trust filmwaster way more than the internet, don´t ask me why 
My Aero-Ektar that I octagonally use on my Graflex is supposed to be radioactive, but how bad is it?
No good to carry it in my bag when hiking? Don´t keep it under the pillow or get rid of it if I should have any wish to reproduce within the next decade?

Camerapedia has a great article on it: http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Radioactive_lenses  We're all exposed to background radiation every day of our lives.  As long as you don't eat the lens you should be ok.

Thank you!
Not very uplifting, 10cm from my spine for hours 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TtqxJTVu0g

[ManuelL]

The most dangerous effect of radiation (at least at these low levels) is that it can lead to mutations in the DNA. When a radiation particle hits a DNA molecule it can destroy parts of the molecule. When the DNA is replicated or transcribed, this can lead to reading errors and you can get a mutation. There are error check and repair mechanisms in the body, but the more errors, the more likely it is that some are not detected and this can in long term lead to cancer. So even low levels of radiation increase the statistical probability of getting cancer.

From what I can see Thorium releases mostly alpha and beta radiation, which are particles. These types of radiation are very destructive, but they don't get very far through solid matter. Alpha radiation is unlikely to penetrate even the outermost layers of your skin. If you carry the lens in a backpack, I would asume it is unlikely that the radiation will have any effect on you.

[Aksel]

Many thanks for your insight there ManueIL, much appreciated.
Probably just me being a bit odd but I`m one of those who are rather sensitive to electricity - I get a 20 sec. headache passing under high power lines on the motorway and I presume that I therefor are a bit sceptical towards stuff like this. Not enough to get rid of the Aero-Ektar though

[Francois]

High voltage powerlines are definitely a different thing. When I have to go under them to take some photos, I get this odd sensation that I can't describe. But at least it doesn't last. Weird thing is that you can actually hear the electricity traveling through the wires.

[Aksel]

High voltage powerlines are definitely a different thing. When I have to go under them to take some photos, I get this odd sensation that I can't describe. But at least it doesn't last. Weird thing is that you can actually hear the electricity traveling through the wires.

Have you ever been under them when it snows?
Really a sound only conteporary experimental music can copy  Yea, for me it´s like a warm thing in my forehead, just over the nose.
It lasts for about 20 seconds. I`we done blind tests to prove it, never fails. I know it´s a completely different thing, but I`m guessing thats why I`m a tad sceptical to anything to do with stuff/energy I can´t see.

[Bryan]

One of the ski areas that I go to frequently has some major power lines running through.  On very cold days they make a loud humming noise and I swear I can feel the electricity.  Sorry for the digital picture, my wife took it.

[Aksel]

One of the ski areas that I go to frequently has some major power lines running through.  On very cold days they make a loud humming noise and I swear I can feel the electricity.  Sorry for the digital picture, my wife took it.

I can for sure and I would not live close to one, not for the fear of effects from it but it makes me feel similar to having clogged a up sinus.

[zapsnaps]

BAC1969: What a great excuse for digital: "Sorry for the digital picture - my wife took it"! Please may I borrow that expression?

[Francois]

High voltage powerlines are definitely a different thing. When I have to go under them to take some photos, I get this odd sensation that I can't describe. But at least it doesn't last. Weird thing is that you can actually hear the electricity traveling through the wires.

Have you ever been under them when it snows?
Really a sound only conteporary experimental music can copy  Yea, for me it´s like a warm thing in my forehead, just over the nose.
It lasts for about 20 seconds. I`we done blind tests to prove it, never fails. I know it´s a completely different thing, but I`m guessing thats why I`m a tad sceptical to anything to do with stuff/energy I can´t see.

I've never been under them when it snows, but I once did when it rains... lets just say the sound is pretty memorable.
I couldn't imagine myself working on those lines... I once saw how they inspect and clean the lines in France. Being suspended in a basket under a helicopter while wearing a silver mesh suit (Faraday cage) and hooking myself to the lines for safety with a large carabiner... the arcs that fly from the wire to the carabiner when you bring them close together would be just too much for me.

[Adam Doe]

... I once saw how they inspect and clean the lines in France. Being suspended in a basket under a helicopter while wearing a silver mesh suit (Faraday cage) and hooking myself to the lines for safety with a large carabiner... the arcs that fly from the wire to the carabiner when you bring them close together would be just too much for me.

Francois, is this it? I first saw this video a few years ago when one of the Electrophysiologists I work with showed it to me. He was going to use it as the introduction to a talk he was giving to his colleagues. It's pretty amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGoaXZwFlJ4

[Bryan]

BAC1969: What a great excuse for digital: "Sorry for the digital picture - my wife took it"! Please may I borrow that expression?

Yes, you may. 

[zapsnaps]

Adam: that lineman job is more scary than photographing a fashion show on slide film with a flash gun & no chance to take a light reading before I start.

[Adam Doe]

Adam: that lineman job is more scary than photographing a fashion show on slide film with a flash gun & no chance to take a light reading before I start.

You'll get no argument from me. There's no way in hell you could get me to do that job, no matter what the pay.

[Francois]

... I once saw how they inspect and clean the lines in France. Being suspended in a basket under a helicopter while wearing a silver mesh suit (Faraday cage) and hooking myself to the lines for safety with a large carabiner... the arcs that fly from the wire to the carabiner when you bring them close together would be just too much for me.

Francois, is this it? I first saw this video a few years ago when one of the Electrophysiologists I work with showed it to me. He was going to use it as the introduction to a talk he was giving to his colleagues. It's pretty amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGoaXZwFlJ4

It's pretty much the same thing... and you simply couldn't get me on those wires!