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OT: Beer
« on: August 19, 2014, 11:25:24 PM »
Ok, there were some comments floating around the "I just picked up..." thread that were not really relevant there, but are interesting none the less. Indofunk said that he doesn't like the current trend toward super-hoppy beers (microbrews primarily are the culprits here), and rather than comment over there, I thought I would start a fresh thread where we can have it out. Mods, if this is too off-topic, feel free to remove (like you need my permission)  ::).

I for one like hoppy beers in the summer. Here in San Diego, the summer is long. It starts right around February and ends about mid January (give or take a couple of weeks). I find that a cold beer is very refreshing and cooling in the summer heat. The clean finish of an IPA contributes to that refreshment. Now in the long, dark 10-ish days of winter, where the temps plummet into the low 60's, I prefer a stout or a porter to warm my bones.

Anyone else's beer preference weather-driven?
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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2014, 11:33:28 PM »
Definitely weather-driven. I like a nice hefeweisen  or pilsner  (Stella!) in the summer and a good chewy stout in the winter. Brown ales are for spring and summer :)

(Edited: I just realized I was thinking of Pilsner Urquell, not Stella. I don't mind it, but I don't drink it often. I think I just like yelling Stella! a la Stanley Kowalski so that's why it came to mind ;) )
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2014, 11:56:01 PM »
Ohhhhhh Boy...  I love Porters, Stouts, Brown Ales and the occasional Wheat Beer when it gets hot out. I hate IPAs. Boo to over hopped bitter beer. Boo I say (feel free to disagree). Lately I've been drinking my way throughout North Carolina's offerings. Fullsteam brewery in Durham, NC makes a Chocolate Ale, called Workingman's Lunch, that's a paean to the old traditional southern workingman's lunch of a Moon Pie and an RC Cola. I've found that it makes a fantastic pairing in the darkroom when printing as it comes in Bombers (22 oz bottles) so you don't have to leave the darkroom all that often for another. Another recent discovery is from a brewery in Asheville, NC called Hi-Wire. They produce a Brown Ale that I really like named Bed of Nails Brown Ale. Tasty and goes well with film developing, scanning negatives and general forum browsing. 

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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2014, 12:08:09 AM »
Ohhhhhh Boy...  I love Porters, Stouts, Brown Ales and the occasional Wheat Beer when it gets hot out. I hate IPAs. Boo to over hopped bitter beer. Boo I say (feel free to disagree). Lately I've been drinking my way throughout North Carolina's offerings. Fullsteam brewery in Durham, NC makes a Chocolate Ale, called Workingman's Lunch, that's a paean to the old traditional southern workingman's lunch of a Moon Pie and an RC Cola. I've found that it makes a fantastic pairing in the darkroom when printing as it comes in Bombers (22 oz bottles) so you don't have to leave the darkroom all that often for another. Another recent discovery is from a brewery in Asheville, NC called Hi-Wire. They produce a Brown Ale that I really like named Bed of Nails Brown Ale. Tasty and goes well with film developing, scanning negatives and general forum browsing.

Adam, you and I are definitely going out for a beer or 6!! I (as stated emphatically in the "I picked up" thread) HATE the overhopped "American IPA" craze that is being perpetrated by the microbreweries. Sure, I like a lighter beer in the summer, but even a lager qualifies, and when I want a "making love in a canoe" beer*, I reach for a pilsner. How can anyone deny that a pilsner is not equally, nay MORE, refreshing than a hop-bomb IPA, and doesn't leave you with such an astringent feeling that you swear all the water has been drawn out of your face? I love tasty beers too, stouts, porters, brown ales, what have you. I just want TASTE, not ASTRINGENCY.  :o <- that guy just had a sip of Hoppy McHoppenstein's 500000IBU melt-your-face-off hoptastically hoppity hop hop American IPA



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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2014, 12:29:40 AM »
Anything can be over-done. I find that the 77IBU Stone IPA is very tasty, hits the right balance of bitterness and refreshes over a wide temperature range. There are definitely those who have taken the hops to an extreme level and they can be summarily dismissed. On the other hand, beer should contain water, barley and hops. Not fruit, not spices, NOT maple syrup, not the bark from a tree in your back yard! You may produce those concoctions, but they are not beer. They are potions meant to evoke a raised eyebrow. Want fruit? Drink wine (red only).
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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2014, 12:43:02 AM »
On the other hand, beer should contain water, barley and hops. Not fruit, not spices, NOT maple syrup, not the bark from a tree in your back yard! You may produce those concoctions, but they are not beer. They are potions meant to evoke a raised eyebrow. Want fruit? Drink wine (red only).

Haha! I also agree with this (notice I deleted the earlier part of your post which I don't necessarily agree with ;) ). But also, beer needs yeast, in case you forgot. The yeast is what imparts some of the "fruity" flavor to Belgian saisons, for example. Not my favorite beers, but I get where they're coming from. Also, it's ok to sub some wheat in for the barley, but don't go too overboard there. Anyways, you can join Adam & I at the bar as long as you don't get too rowdy ;)

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2014, 03:48:56 AM »

Adam, you and I are definitely going out for a beer or 6!! ...


Absolutely! I hope to make it up there some time this fall. Just in time to avoid the locust-like invasion of the pumpkin beers (bleccch).

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2014, 05:45:58 AM »
I agree with Jharr on the fruit, I hate fruit in my beer.  I prefer brown ale, Porter and Stout.  My wife and I make at least one 10 gallon batch a year at a place called Gallaghers' Where U Brew.  My wife loves hoppy IPA, the more hops the better.  She always throws more hops in than the recipe calls for and I throw in dark grains so we end up with a dark hoppy IPA.  They usually turn out pretty good, we have never had a batch we didn't like.  It's amazing how fast we go through 10 gallons. 

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2014, 08:51:15 AM »
Hoppy beers all year round for me but they don't want to be chilled too cold or it kills all the taste in the UK real ales are not served cold, if you live in the US look out for beers from a Brewery near to me called Thornbridge Brewery they make some fantastic beers and I'm sure the are expoting to the US
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2014, 09:00:56 AM »
My tastes are, predictably, "British" in that I really do like a good, hoppy beer.  Britain produces some of the best and most diverse beers.  In the summertime (i.e. now) the pubs are awash with light and slightly floral summer ales. Kept well in a cold cellar (not chilled) and served with a bit of a head on them, they can make an afternoon go very pleasantly and quickly. The local to where I work in the City of London, is a Fullers pub and has a great selection - a nd a few guest beers.

Of all the beers available in Britain, my favourite has to be Timothy Taylor's "Landlord" - a really fresh, hoppy IPA - brewed in Yorkshire (but I'll forgive it that) as it is a superb pint.

I like a good, well-kept stout.  Guinness can be good but it can also be pretty flat if not kept well. Beamish (another Irish stout) can be its match and, IMO, often better. Personal taste of course.

There's a pub near "Temple" in London which specialises in Belgian beers - draught and bottled. Most are extremely good - others are what I regard as novelty - massive ABV and/or fruit flavoured.  "Stella" is often referred to as "Wife Beater" or "Looney Soup" over here.  I suspect it's brewed locally under license and, as with most lagers, is pretty tasteless, over-gassy and too expensive for what it is. It is one of the stronger "mainstream" lagers available in the UK but you tend to either love it or loathe it.

There are some fantastic micro-breweries.  One of my favourite is Dent Brewery.  If you get the chance to try Aviator, Ramsbottom or Kamikaze, do give them a go.

I tried a few of the local brews when driving Route 66 last year. There were a couple in Chicago and St Louis that were really good but, the further west we went, the less I tended to drink the beer.
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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2014, 09:32:14 AM »
My tastes are, predictably, "British" in that I really do like a good, hoppy beer.  Britain produces some of the best and most diverse beers.  In the summertime (i.e. now) the pubs are awash with light and slightly floral summer ales. Kept well in a cold cellar (not chilled) and served with a bit of a head on them, they can make an afternoon go very pleasantly and quickly. The local to where I work in the City of London, is a Fullers pub and has a great selection - a nd a few guest beers.

Of all the beers available in Britain, my favourite has to be Timothy Taylor's "Landlord" - a really fresh, hoppy IPA - brewed in Yorkshire (but I'll forgive it that) as it is a superb pint.

I like a good, well-kept stout.  Guinness can be good but it can also be pretty flat if not kept well. Beamish (another Irish stout) can be its match and, IMO, often better. Personal taste of course.

There's a pub near "Temple" in London which specialises in Belgian beers - draught and bottled. Most are extremely good - others are what I regard as novelty - massive ABV and/or fruit flavoured.  "Stella" is often referred to as "Wife Beater" or "Looney Soup" over here.  I suspect it's brewed locally under license and, as with most lagers, is pretty tasteless, over-gassy and too expensive for what it is. It is one of the stronger "mainstream" lagers available in the UK but you tend to either love it or loathe it.

There are some fantastic micro-breweries.  One of my favourite is Dent Brewery.  If you get the chance to try Aviator, Ramsbottom or Kamikaze, do give them a go.

I tried a few of the local brews when driving Route 66 last year. There were a couple in Chicago and St Louis that were really good but, the further west we went, the less I tended to drink the beer.
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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2014, 09:39:46 AM »
I totally get Satish's point, some really over do it with the hopps or other stuff as well. I've got a local brewery who ages a line of their IPA on bowmore casks (really peaty schotch whisk(e)y) so you end up with a beer that is so crazily complex in flavour that is messes with your brain especially the next morning  :o
Now I live quite close to Belgian border, #1 beer country if you ask me, if you ever find yourself in Antwerp, or around there somewhere, do try the Triple d'Anvers brewed by De Koninck brewery, but there are a lot of micro breweries, from al over the world who produce great stuff and it's good, at least it gives you a choice, but I do think that the ones who are over-hopped won't survive
The other week I had a west coast IPA from the greenflash brewery (that's San Diego James  8) ) but no it was brewed in Belgium by the St.-Feuillien brewery on behalf of the greenflash brewery so there's getting a sturdy competition for the traditional special beers from all over the world! by the way greenflash calls their west coast IPA extravagantly hopped and damn sure it is but I think still within  :o limits
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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2014, 09:47:26 AM »
My tastes are, predictably, "British" in that I really do like a good, hoppy beer.

Ok, let's get one thing straight ... I'm not talking about ACTUAL IPAs here. British IPAs are "correctly" hopped. I'm talking about the profusion of American super-hopped ales that just use the initials "IPA". I can only assume it stands for Insanely Piss-hopped A**-beer. Nothing wrong with a good English ale.

Nor, as Peter points out, a Belgian ale. I've already professed my disdain for saisons, but that's because of the strong floral/fruity flavor and the sourness. A straight Belgian ale is heaven. Sweet, malty, and complex in flavor (again, let's not even mention S****a, that's gotta be the Bud or Heineken of Belguim). Only due to its common availability here, I love  Leffe dark. There's also a bar down the street from me which has 20-30 rotating taps and likes to keep about half of them as Belgians. Unfortunately, I don't go there often enough to develop a favorite, as every time I'm there (once every few weeks maybe?) all the taps have changed already :o

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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2014, 11:36:07 AM »
Still the best IPA IMHO http://www.worthingtonsale.com/#whiteShield

I also have a friend that owns a brewery (seriously!!) in Windsor. We could in fact have the next UK FW outing in Windsor and I could arrange a tour!  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2014, 12:01:35 PM »
Still the best IPA IMHO http://www.worthingtonsale.com/#whiteShield

I also have a friend that owns a brewery (seriously!!) in Windsor. We could in fact have the next UK FW outing in Windsor and I could arrange a tour!  ;D

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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2014, 12:05:19 PM »
Still the best IPA IMHO http://www.worthingtonsale.com/#whiteShield

I also have a friend that owns a brewery (seriously!!) in Windsor. We could in fact have the next UK FW outing in Windsor and I could arrange a tour!  ;D

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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2014, 12:07:53 PM »
That would be good, through the winter we go on a beer trip every month aroung Derbyshire Nottinghamshire and Leicestershire also some great places to go  out shooting near me

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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2014, 12:11:02 PM »
I like my beer light and dark, bitter and sweat, but I like the most Czech beers, German beers and Belgian beers, particularly in summer.

Have I told you how much I like drinking beer? Almost as much as I like Dalmatian dry red wines.  ;)
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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2014, 12:37:56 PM »
Don't get me on to red wines

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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2014, 12:40:19 PM »
Don't get me on to red wines

Me neither.....especially if I've been on the whiskey and/or beer.  "Never mix grain and grape" is the best advice I can give anyone who wishes to avoid a monumental hangover the following morning.
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2014, 02:35:54 PM »
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Ha! A nice spring day! I think a lot of Canadians start putting on shorts when the weather hits that temperature!

I'm not much of a traditionalist - if it is good (at least to me) I'll drink it. I drink stouts / porters all year round personally - few beers really satisfy me like those. I also cook with those the most so I often have them on hand. But in the summer I do drink more ales, alcoholic ginger beers, sour beers (lambics) and the super hoopy IPAs [I like bitter - a lot] that are coming into fashion. As I've gotten older I found I can't tolerate light beers and lagers - not sure why that is - but I rarely drink those now. Smoked beer is the only beer I ever drank that I regretted - like drinking a sausage.

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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2014, 03:11:38 PM »
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Smoked beer is the only beer I ever drank that I regretted - like drinking a sausage.

Now that sounds disgusting.  Mind you, I am definitely partial to a drop of the smokey / peaty malt whiskeys like Lagavulin, Talisker, etc. so why a smoked beer should sound so wrong is getting me thinking.
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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2014, 03:31:19 PM »
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Smoked beer is the only beer I ever drank that I regretted - like drinking a sausage.

Now that sounds disgusting.  Mind you, I am definitely partial to a drop of the smokey / peaty malt whiskeys like Lagavulin, Talisker, etc. so why a smoked beer should sound so wrong is getting me thinking.

I love smokey whiskeys but hate smokey beer. Kind of like I love salty peanuts but I hate salty coffee. Right taste, wrong medium.

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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2014, 04:38:32 PM »
Yes Peter, Green Flash is just a mile down the street from where I live. I have yet to visit their tasting room since Callahan's, Stone, Ballast Point and Coronado Brewing, etc. are also nearby. San Diego is definitely becoming a brewer's town. One of the more interesting tasting rooms in my neighborhood is White Labs. This is actually a supplier of brewer's yeast, but they brew beer there and have a small tasting room where you can taste the same beer recipe made with different yeast strains. It is surprising how different they come out. They usually have a dozen or so taps and they rotate them frequently.

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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2014, 04:46:22 PM »
Actually this map tells the story. I found this over on beermapping.com. :)
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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2014, 08:11:53 PM »
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That is it exactly. Smokey / peaty is incredible in Whisky but terrible in beer. Seriously it is like drinking a carbonated kielbasa. 

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2014, 09:17:28 PM »
I quite like smoked beers but they do tend to be a polarising brew. People I know either really like them or really loathe them.

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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2014, 12:18:31 AM »
Oddly, the topic of smoked beers just came up on another forum I post in (that forum, a musicians' forum, also has a dedicated beer thread :) ), so I looked up the history. Apparently, before the invention of kiln drying, most malt was dried over a fire, producing a smokey flavor. The only other alternative was to sun-dry it, which took a lot longer (and I guess risked bacterial contamination as well).

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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2014, 12:32:54 AM »
I don't mind smoke flavored beer but it's not my favorite.  I usually broil Salmon in it with a little brown sugar and then drink whatever is left over.

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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2014, 12:36:38 AM »
I don't mind smoke flavored beer but it's not my favorite.  I usually broil Salmon in it with a little brown sugar and then drink whatever is left over.

Now that sounds like a great use for it. Sort of like that "liquid smoke" stuff.

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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2014, 01:13:14 AM »
Yeah cooking with smoked beer would be fine I think. It was just not something I could ever imagine a situation where I'd sit and drink a pint of it.

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« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2014, 10:08:25 PM »
Peak Organic Summer Session Ale -- something Indofunk and I can agree on (I like hoppy, he hates hoppy)
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« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2014, 11:14:19 PM »
Tonight I'm drinking a Raspberry wheet beer, lovely

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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2014, 12:43:23 AM »
Peak Organic Summer Session Ale -- something Indofunk and I can agree on (I like hoppy, he hates hoppy)

Also Goose Island IPA. The Goose Island brews in general are pretty laim versions of whatever style they're trying to brew, so their "laim" IPA is not nearly as hoppy as most IPAs, which makes it acceptable in my book :)

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« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2014, 06:22:50 PM »
I've had Goose Island IPA, very nice beer

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« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2014, 09:57:39 AM »
Good thread. Nice to feel the passion :-) I concur with the Thornbridge brewery recommendation and also with Paul 'Late Developer' on the Tim Taylor Landlord tip. Fine stuff. However, I'm also a big fan of Begian beers and will give anything from that land of endless invention a try. On a hot summer day I'm more than happy with any Pilsner type thing which isn't too sweet tasting. Faves are usually Czech or German.

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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2014, 10:15:36 AM »
Good thread. Nice to feel the passion :-) I concur with the Thornbridge brewery recommendation and also with Paul 'Late Developer' on the Tim Taylor Landlord tip. Fine stuff. However, I'm also a big fan of Begian beers and will give anything from that land of endless invention a try. On a hot summer day I'm more than happy with any Pilsner type thing which isn't too sweet tasting. Faves are usually Czech or German.

jesus... I was just going to say "im there with the Thornbridge and Tim Taylors"   but Ed gets there...

However - not keen on Belgian beers, wheat beers etc

Another one which seems to have popped up everywhere is Sharps Doombar.   Very Nice!


Brewery Tour sounds like a great idea - we could even skip the actual tour and just go and sit in a pub all weekend. 



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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2014, 11:17:59 AM »
Sharps used to be very small based ar Rock in Cornwall,  I'm only about 12 miles from Thornbridge it belongs to Ex Dragon Emma Harrison and her husband

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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2014, 02:22:34 PM »
Sharps used to be very small based ar Rock in Cornwall,  I'm only about 12 miles from Thornbridge it belongs to Ex Dragon Emma Harrison and her husband

Last Christmas our department at work went for a communal slurp at a local bar (called "Gilt" - sort of at the back of Fenchurch Street Station).  They don't do proper draught beers - just poncy bottled lagers for which you need a re-mortgage to buy a round. 

However, I spotted a bottle of "Doombar" (a fave of mine if kept well) in the fridge of all places.  I thought "what the hell, it's either that or some vaguely alcoholic fizz brewed using a Tibetan yak-herders socks" so I ordered a bottle.  It was absolutely freezing but, before giving me the drink, the barman started to pour it over ice. 

Last I heard, he is making a reasonable recovery.
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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2014, 02:26:48 PM »
I'm glad I don't live down there with barman like that, the bar I go to is great only real ale about 8 ciders,  Belgium beers a some Dutch and German largers ill post some pictures from my phone tonight, ive also got some shots up on the walls

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« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2014, 02:29:32 PM »
ive also got some shots up on the walls

Now THAT'S the coolest part about the bar  8)

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« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2014, 02:34:50 PM »
Trying to find a real (not fake - Weatherspoons, Nicholsons, etc) "local" anywhere from the West End to the East End is tricky.  There are a few but it's taken me the 15+ years I've worked down here to track them down.  The majority are what I call "beer warehouses" as they tend to be huge, ex-cinemas / ex-banks which have been converted into pubs that can hold literally hundreds of people. The worst tend to be the likes of "Hamilton Hall" next to Liverpool Street station which is just hideous - especially on a Saturday when there's a football crowd.

I actually live 50/55 miles NE of London as (a) I couldn't afford to live in London and (b) I wouldn't want to live in any big city. Semi-rural north Essex isn't the most exciting place on the planet but it does have a few good country pubs.
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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2014, 04:53:59 PM »
I'm glad I don't live down there with barman like that, the bar I go to is great only real ale about 8 ciders,  Belgium beers a some Dutch and German largers ill post some pictures from my phone tonight, ive also got some shots up on the walls

Ive been in places like as well.  Its ok, but licking drinks off the wall can hurt your tongue after a while.

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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2014, 04:56:18 PM »
Real ale should never be served ice cold, I also hate pubs with carpet

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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2014, 05:08:00 PM »
I'm glad I don't live down there with barman like that, the bar I go to is great only real ale about 8 ciders,  Belgium beers a some Dutch and German largers ill post some pictures from my phone tonight, ive also got some shots up on the walls

Ive been in places like as well.  Its ok, but licking drinks off the wall can hurt your tongue after a while.

(thank you, thank you.. Im here all week)

:D (took me a second, but I got it)

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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2014, 08:50:06 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2014, 08:54:23 PM »
Those bottles on the wall are getting more and more skunked every day someone doesn't order them :(

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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2014, 12:10:09 AM »
I know i should have taken the A7

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Re: OT: Beer
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2014, 11:19:06 AM »
I'm very easy when it comes to beer. After all I'm Bavarian. :) Anything locally brewed is fine. On occasion I can also be seen drinking a Pils from northern Germany (Jever) or a Mythos (Greek). I just hate those horrible sweet Belgian beers.

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« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2014, 09:06:06 PM »