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Susan B.

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longing for tactile, imperfect photography
« on: June 05, 2007, 05:47:04 PM »
I'm a regular reader of Alex Soth's blog.
Today he has a great post about tactile, imperfect film based photography and his yearning for more in these days of digital perfection. I've been thinking a lot about this subject lately and yearning for the same. Thought I'd continue the discussion over here by linking up Alex's post - which is well worth the read.

http://alecsoth.com/blog/2007/06/04/tactile-photography/

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Re: longing for tactile, imperfect photography
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2007, 01:40:03 AM »
If you look at the main publications of contemporary art photography, the mood is very much toward using photography in the 'hold up the mirror to reality' mode. You know- sort of documentary, but with a certain 'tweak' from the artist to show they have thought about life, and this little bit of reality they have chosen to show us is a comment or metaphor for life the universe and everything..

It seems to be about minimizing the tools involved in creating the image, so as not to distract from the artist's vision of what's in front of the lens. Which, despite the grass-roots toy camera movement, marginalizes the sort of thing you and I like doing with our  intrusive blur, camera defects, polaroid gunk and pinhole abstractions... I guess we just aren't hip! Does that mean Alex is not 'hip' either? I'm not commenting; I don't know his work at all. If Alex wants to bury prints too, that's fine with me.

Don't get me wrong- I admire the documentary style too.  Maybe I'm simply not confident enough of my own 'vision' to let go of the more technique- driven of toy camera thing I'm fond of?

(consumer warning: slightly non FW cosher viewpoint approaching)
At heart, I believe it doesn't really matter how you arrive at the image on the page. Via film, via digital, via tricky techniques or purist photojournalism. At the end, it's simply you expressing yourself visually, and the image will, or won't, resonate with an audience. How effectively that image resonates will vary with time, with fashions and fads, and with the culture and experience of that audience, so it's most important to please yourself first.

EDIT: I just read the comments following Alex's article- what a great range of articulate comments on both sides of the debate!
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Re: longing for tactile, imperfect photography
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2007, 03:51:05 PM »
I actually saw this first message yesterday afternoon and didn't want to reply right away. I felt an answer needed some thought. I must admit that things in photography are again changing. Something which is quite hard to get a grasp on. So, please to follow my thought process... as it is not something I am sure will make logical sentences.

Art is inseparable from the times in which it is created. No matter how futuristic looking the art, it is always anchored in the present. It is thus normal that photography would very well represent this. Large color formats are a very good representation of the era in which they have been made. Most of those prints have been shot and printed in a time where the big screen TV was king... we could also say it was an era where big everything was king. It is only normal that the photographic print adapted itself to match. The shiny print surface matches the shiny surface of the television screen. Everything is usually packaged together including the Technicolor rendition of the image.

The subjects are also representative of the era. They for most represent an idea that the photographer had and wants to convey to the public. The idea is most of the time an intellectual comment on society or the world. I also understand that many of these works of art don't reach the average art lover. They are made in a way that is quite binary. You either get the message or you don't. This tends to leave many out of the circle.

You might say that many images don't go beyond the surface. It is only because it is representative of today's society. Very superficial. But it sadly seldom covers anything that might be hidden underneath. Pictures are made in the image of today's reality television. Instant stardom for totally uninteresting people. Only difference being that the stars are prints in this case. Like the people they try to emulate, they often rely on gimmicks to attract attention, just like the contestants on these shows that make instant stars. We also don't care that they remain relevant for a long time like those classics made by the old masters, just like those stars on television. Andy Warhol once said that everybody in their life will have their 15 minutes of fame. This is true of both people and artwork.

Art collectors flock to these pictures for investment purposes. Very few people know that in some countries (Canada being one of them), you can use an acquired work of art as an income tax deduction. So no matter if it is good or not, if you resell it or not, it is still a good deal. But this is slightly getting onto a whole other subject.

Now, things are changing again. Some photographers want to get away from the glassy large formats and back to something different. It is still only a representation of the times.  Reality TV doesn't have the appeal it used to have. Climate change is threatening our very life. Senseless wars are raging all over the globe. We feel the big companies are manipulating the public. We are all getting older. So it is quite normal that we seek something different. We can tend to go the opposite from what we see at every art gallery. Or tend to go back to older styles which we grew-up loving. Print sizes will probably gradually become more manageable again. Small pictures that we can cherish and touch will become more popular. Images we can carry anywhere and that make us feel good seem like an appealing change. It is not that art gallery will instantly stop showing smaller artwork. But the big size art will probably become the "billboard" used to sell the smaller prints.

Texture is another issue which is hard to describe in photography. The gelatin image is inherently flat. I doubt many contemporary photographers will go that way. Especially if you consider that so many of them outsource their lab work to companies who use digital machines to do the work. But, as I said before, this is only part of the pendulum's swing.

I hope I am getting somewhere with this lengthy reply... or at least helping others and not just yapping for nothing :)
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Re: longing for tactile, imperfect photography
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2007, 11:22:01 PM »
Art is inseparable from the times in which it is created.
The subjects are also representative of the era.

You're right. I think we, in the 'developed' world, live in a more sterile and (in spite of the increase in communication tools) an intimately muted society, so artists will respond to that.

Or, we are a more complaining/dissatisfied society so...photographers pursue sharpness, detail, clarity from their equipment. We get it and then complain that we want something different, more tactile.

Thankfully there is always, as proved here, room for romance and imagination.
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Re: longing for tactile, imperfect photography
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2007, 04:20:08 PM »
Or, we are a more complaining/dissatisfied society so...photographers pursue sharpness, detail, clarity from their equipment. We get it and then complain that we want something different, more tactile.

I guess this is also right. I wrote my long reply before the public library called me to ask me to pick-up a very lengthy 600 page chunk of treeware as they call it. In one of the first chapters, they talk about dissatisfaction. Some researchers have come to the conclusion that too much choice makes people unhappy. People still want some choice, just not as much as we currently have.

Problem is that when we have too much choice, the effort involved in choosing is too great when compared to what the end result of this choice is (and mostly our expectations relating to this choice).

It's like when Ed wanted to buy a large format camera. He shopped around, compared features, compared looks, compared prices, settled on a model he likes (that big Graflex SLR), tried to find it at the right price... and after months of research, he found his pearl. He bought it and I feel he is a bit disappointed with the end results (Am I right Ed?). Now, if he had the choice only between a Graflex Speed Graphic and a Pentax 67, No matter what his choice would have been, he most likely would have been delighted with his acquisition.

I know this is not directly related to photography but it still applies very well to the tactile photography issue.

But I must say it is increasingly easy to produce those slick sterile pictures. When you consider the modern dust-proof digi-SLR's, Photoshop and digital printers... you quickly realise there isn't any hands they get between the shutter button and the handling of the printed image :( And when your goal is to produce images with little or no subject matter (because nothingness IS your subject ;) )... there is no escaping the sterile look.
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Re: longing for tactile, imperfect photography
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2007, 07:52:07 AM »
yearning for more in these days of digital perfection.

Something that has been with me - as a number of course know - for a number of years. I theorized as digital cameras and their output approached perfection, so the feel of the work being produced would also approach commonality. It all looks the same.

The need for a tactile feel is like Araki's distaste for the dry-brightness of digital photography. Lucky we are though, as we will continue to have artistic intent in parallel with mass produced reality TV 3-sec grab white bread blandness - we will always have artists who will piss on their work, smash it up, or take Polaroids and bury them in the soil...

The comments on the thread from flower macroing D2x gear-heads with no soul were also entertaining. Skj.

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Re: longing for tactile, imperfect photography
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2007, 04:33:44 PM »
The photography of the people who post here and on Toycamera is so different from what I saw at a photo exhibit yesterday... I'll try to do a small review...
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