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Harman Direct Positive Images
« on: February 27, 2013, 03:48:31 AM »
Hi everyone; I'm new to the forum, been photographing for several decades, still keep my heart in the film world.

As a first post, I'd like to share my interest in using Harman's Direct Positive Paper, which I shoot in a Speed Graphic, pinhole box cameras and also an 8x10 homemade nested box tailboard camera with an improvised glass lens. I've also cut down small sized prints for use in a Bronica ETRS and also a Holga 120 camera.

This image I made yesterday using my recently acquired Fujinon 135-5.6 lens in the Speed Graphic, under indirect north-facing daylight plus a bit of halogen fill lighting. 8 seconds exposure.

I'd like to see examples of Harman DPP images from other members, feel free to post them here!

~Joe
(From Albuquerque, New Mexico)

PS: I rate Harman DPP at EI=2, plus give a bit of a preflash in the darkroom prior to exposure, using a homemade light source using a 7 watt frosted bulb through a 5mm aperture.

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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2013, 03:52:59 AM »
I like it! great tones! welcome to filmwasters!

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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2013, 05:11:11 AM »
That's pretty cool. I have been for a while looking to make a Afghan Box camera to take pictures of things and the positive paper is one of the things I'd like to use once I make it. Right now I am having a lot of fun shooting with the Crown.

(It's cool to see another Burqueno here!)

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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 05:30:59 AM »
Very cool. I've been thinking about paper negatives. Do you have experience using paper negatives and how they compare with DPP? I would be scanning the result rather than making contact prints at first. How does contrast compare.

Thanks and welcome!

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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2013, 07:18:54 AM »
Seriously? Two Burquenos in one post?  That's cool!

I know of Joe and have followed his blog for a while...he does great pinhole work.
We all should get together. I'm in Tijeras.

Great shot with the Harman DPP Joe!  I'm a recent convert to the stuff.

And a big welcome to FW's.   8)

Here's a 5 x 7 pinhole shot I made today of an old abandoned house on route 66.
Harman Direct positive paper exposed for 2 minutes and dunked in caffenol for 4
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Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2013, 07:48:57 AM »
Hey Joe (to quote Mr Hendrix).

It's good to see you on this forum, you gave me some great advice last year when I got myself back into analogue photography.

If you google "paper negatives" and search through some of the threads on other forums, you will find a post from Joe sharing his thoughts and advice.

I'm new to this site too and was given a warm welcome when I posted to one of the threads. I'm sure you'll get the same!

Moiz

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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2013, 09:09:34 AM »
Hey Joe (again)

Welcome to FW.  Great control over the DPP. I had some difficulties with it at first, but once I got the hang of it, it was great .... and then the next lot of shots died a death again. Too finicky for me, but clearly not for you - the tones look great.

here a few of my successes:


Clock - Harman DPP by LeonTaylor27, on Flickr


Tap & Water - Harman DPP by LeonTaylor27, on Flickr


Vases - Harman DPP by LeonTaylor27, on Flickr
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2013, 09:31:17 AM »
It looks like maybe DPP is for me after all (once LF instant goes away finally)....I like a 'film' with built in excuses  ;D

Hello Joe and welcome to Filmwasters.

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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2013, 12:18:01 PM »
That's cool, welcome to the forum :)

Here's a couple from mine experiments, not an easy one I have to say!
Both on the back of my Toyo View...



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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2013, 02:53:18 PM »
Welcome Joe!

Filmwasters is being invaded by New Mexico! Haaaaaa!  ;D ::) :P
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2013, 09:41:57 PM »
Good to have you all around. I will pick your brains when my time (i.e. the Harman Titan 8x10) comes. I can already see that the exposure times in a pinhole camera will be quite long.

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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 03:56:40 AM »
Thanks everyone for your kind greetings, I feel home here already.

@Astrobeck: That's a nice pinhole image. And there must be a lot of us film folks out here in the Wild West.

@Moizak: It's good to hear things are going well with your photography.

@Leon: Those are very nice images, I would encourage you to stick with it.

@Sapata: Nice images. A bit of preflash could help with bringing out a bit more shadow detail.

@Urban Hafner: Yes, exposure times with Harman can be lengthy, and I think with large enough f-ratio pinhole cameras the extended exposure time and its resulting problems with camera movement in the weather offsets any theoretical advantage in trying to achieve a sharper image with a smaller aperture. Meaning that there's a break even point with Harman where it's better to detune your pinhole, making it larger than optimal but resulting in shorter exposure times, which can help with sharpness under real-world conditions.

Honestly, I prefer to use Harman with refractive lenses just because the exposure times are more manageable. However, a setup like a hyper focal lens with very small aperture, around f/90 or so, can still give short exposure times and reasonably sharp images. This works well with single-element meniscus lenses which get sharper as they are stopped down.

Regarding taming the Harman paper, it helps to be consistent. First, make sure your safelight isn't fogging the paper. Next, find your working exposure index. I rate it at around 3.

Third, it helps with tonal range and shadow detail to preflash the paper prior to use. My preflash light source is the same one I use for paper negatives, but I give about half the flash exposure with Harman paper as I do for negative paper. My light source is a type S11 light bulb (120vac, frosted white, 7.5 watts, standard base, round globe about the size of a table tennis ball), inside an enclosure with a 5mm aperture, suspended about 30 inches above the paper. For negatives I give about an 8 second exposure, while for Harman I give a 3.5 second exposure.

Fourth, consistent development. I always use about the same dilution of the same liquid concentrate at the same temperature (68f), used as a one-shot developer. My current developer is Ilford PQ diluted 5.5ml into 75ml of water, which I use in a Jobo test print development tank that will process two 4x5 prints at once.

Fifth is consistent metering. I set my light meter to EI 3 and meter the brightest part of the scene that I want detail and set that to about +1/3EV. Keep in mind that the paper is mostly sensitive to UV and blue light, and that shiny metals and water will reflect UV much easier, therefore rendering much brighter in the print. However, the paper will show some sensitivity to CF and higher wattage halogen lamps, so I'm learning to apply some artificial fill lighting after metering the scene lit only by daylight, which helps with additional fill lighting.

As an example, the duck image I metered on the brightest part of its body and set that at +1/3EV, the meter recommending 8 seconds exposure, and then I added some halogen fill across the kitchen with a 500 watt work light dimmed down to about half power.

I have not found any significant reciprocity failure with this paper.

I know this was a very lengthy reply, but thank you all for building this community of photographers.

~Joe

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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2013, 04:05:06 AM »
Welcome Joe!

Filmwasters is being invaded by New Mexico! Haaaaaa!  ;D ::) :P

It's "those" people with their "sun" who are all, "Look at me and my great exposures and my great tan!" ;)

Time to round up the Scandinavians and take this board back!

-Jack (with nothing to show but a cardboard exposure meter and the dog feces peeking out of the snowbanks)

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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 07:14:11 AM »
Lots of good tips Joe

Re sticking with it -  I've got quite a stash of the paper but I barely get enough shooting and printing time as it is, so very little space for messing with dpp. I might have some projects in mind though, on the list with all the others :o

Quote
... Reciprocity failure ...

The paper has a marked reverse reciprocity effect with exposures shorter than around one second. These mostly fail.
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 07:21:12 AM »
Time to round up the Scandinavians and take this board back!

Jack - pls include all NW Europeans ;) we might not have the snow, but SAD is at its height right now. Eagerly awaiting the Equinox's promise of longer days and maybe even a break in the cloud cover.

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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2013, 03:56:42 PM »
Jack - pls include all NW Europeans ;) we might not have the snow, but SAD is at its height right now. Eagerly awaiting the Equinox's promise of longer days and maybe even a break in the cloud cover.
Same here...
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Re: Harman Direct Positive Images
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2013, 09:25:33 PM »
Joe : Thank You for nice tips

my examples here :