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Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« on: July 29, 2012, 11:07:21 PM »
That is a question I've been wondering about lately. I know their slogan was "From the mind of Minolta", but it should have been "Made by the Minolta Ironworks"!

This story began last sprint when I went to a charity sale. There was a small Minolta Hi-Matic F on the table. The lady wanted 3$ for it. so I started inspecting it. The hotshoe was held by globs of blue tac. The battery compartment was missing. The bottom plate is bent out of shape. The top plate is crooked. The focusing ring won't turn. And to add to the list of injuries, there's a very serious dent on the filter ring. So, after pointing all this out and arguing a lot, I managed to drop the price at 50 cents. The camera literally looked like s*** and I wasn't expecting it to even work. But I took it anyways just for fun.

So, I looked around the internet or some information. The camera takes two very large mercury cells... problem right there. While looking through my drawer of batteries, I discovered that two 357 cells would fit snugly in one of the compartments. But what polarities to use? And what set of connectors to short out so that the contact would work. A bit of experimentation and investigation led me to discover that I had to short-out the two right connectors (when the camera is on its back lens pointing up). Since this was a test, I just used a rolled-up ball of aluminum foil that I jammed in that side of the compartment. As for the polarities, experimentation again. I discovered that the positive terminal is on the bottom (back side) of the camera. This makes the test light work OK. So, I taped up the batteries and was ready for a first test. Would the shutter work? I cranked-up the camera, opened the back and pointed it at a light. I pressed the button and surprise! It worked!

But I was still stuck with a few problems, namely the stuck focus ring. While looking at the dent on the filter ring, I thought it could very well be the problem. Having no filter ring dent removal wrench, I resorted to use the second best thing: a chunk of wood with a hole the size of the lens in it, a dowel and a big hammer! Yep, you read right, I actually used a hammer on the camera. I tried to smooth out the ring the best I could when at some point, the focus started to turn loosely... incredible. I checked the shutter again. It still worked. I tested the rangefinder and it worked too! Distances were on par. I thought I would have wrecked it completely but it looked like it wasn't so.

Now, I had to tackle the flash hotshoe. I removed the three screws (one was missing) and proceeded to remove the blue tac goo that the previous owner had put under it. I put the screws back in and to my surprise they didn't turn loose. I put a flash on it and after aligning the contacts (there's a big dent in the top that prevents the flash from sitting properly), it worked too...

I couldn't believe it. All that was left to do was to put a roll of film in it and take it for a spin, which I did. I finished the roll this afternoon and took it to that Wal* place for 1 hour processing (no prints). Negatives came back looking fine. I immediately put them through my instant film scanning contraption, inverted the images and asked Picasa to be lucky. And here are the results, starting by the camera itself.
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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2012, 11:09:04 PM »
And the rest. When I get the time, I'll do proper scans of them.
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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012, 11:59:08 PM »
Great set Francois... and what a find! $2.50?
I love that little "space" logo just underneath the Minolta writting...
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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 01:00:07 AM »
Francois,
When I was in Ottawa in June I went to Tom Steiner's used camera shop for a browse.  While I was there a guy came in with one of those 6mm Nikkor fisheye lenses, complaining that he had bent the lens cap and it wouldn't screw on properly any more.  So Tom did what you did--he reached into a box with chunks of wood, each of which had a half-circle cut out of it in a different diameter.  Then he took a sturdy looking dowel carved down to a sort of a point and a hammer and placed the lens cap in one of the wooden rings and began tapping with the dowel and hammer.  Amazing--in about ten minutes he had it perfectly round again and it screwed right back in place.

A bizarre and amazing lens, by the way....the 6mm

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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2012, 02:39:43 PM »
Great set Francois... and what a find! $2.50?
I love that little "space" logo just underneath the Minolta writting...
Actually, it was better than 2.50$... it was 50 cents (one half dollar). Cheap!
I usually can't get more than plastic for that price :)

As for the electrons, they do add a nice touch... so vintage :)

A bizarre and amazing lens, by the way....the 6mm
Was it the one that needs mirror lock-up to fit the camers?
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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 04:36:54 PM »
Great score! My 7s is built like a cinder-block! I'm pretty sure I also use 357 cell batts in it (it's been a little while). I'm starting to really like Minolta. You've also inspired me to go check out some junk shops around here now. Well done!

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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 08:10:32 PM »
Glad I could help spread a little GAS (Gear acquisition syndrome) ;)
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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2012, 10:12:57 PM »
Francois,
It was the one with the huge dome of glass.  I think he said the field of view was 220 degrees.  The lens cap looked like a mixing bowl.  The guy is a sport photographer; he said he'd just been to Monte Carlo (I think!) and used it for an aerial shot from a helicopter, taking in the whole harbor.  But I didn't see it on a camera...

By the way, I particularly like the photo of the giant air duct.  Looks like some kind of futuristic robotic butterfly. 
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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2012, 10:57:42 PM »
Thanks!
It also looks like an open book...

As for the fisheye lens, they made a few versions of it. The first model had the optics actually stick inside the camera to within millimeters of the shutter. It came with an accessory viewfinder since the camera had to be used with mirror lock-up. After that, the re-did the calculations and managed to get it to work with all the cameras. Still, it's one effin huge chunk of glass that must weigh a ton! They all got a lot of elements in them. They made one model which was fixed focus. Wide open, the lens focuses from 20 inches to infinity with an aperture of f/5.6  The other had a focus ring and opened up to f/2.8 and didn't protrude inside the camera.
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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 12:32:30 AM »
I believe this was the newer f/2.8 version.  I forget what he said he paid for it, but I'm sure it was very expensive.  With coverage like that I'd think a viewfinder would be pretty much useless!

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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2012, 03:01:09 PM »
Well, it did show the full 220° of view... just imagine trying to hide behind such coverage   ???
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Re: Who said Minoltas were fragile?
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2012, 10:39:27 PM »
He did say something about shooting over your own shoulder...

I was struck by the ridiculous probability that a hunk of glass that big and sticking out that far into the world would get scratched, chipped, dented, whatever.  He seemed kind of sanguine about the whole thing.

And speaking of dent removal tools, I got one off ebay from a guy in texas and it's terrible.  If you crank it hard enough to actually remove a dent, then try to back off the tension, the knob unscrews from the shaft.  Very poor design--I'm going to have to put it on the drill press and drill a hole through the knob and the shaft and stick a pin in there so the knob can't turn.  I've seen another one from Hong Kong that looks like it was designed correctly.  Sadly that's not the one I bought.
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