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half frame advice
« on: July 28, 2010, 06:09:53 PM »
I'm looking to venture into the world of half frame photography, im currently bidding on a canon demi on ebay but im noy going over £20 as it is a little worse for wear. I would ideally love a Ricoh auto half but havent really got the cash at the moment with my motorbike Mot and insurance coming up :-(

can anyone recommend some nice cheap starters i could check out in case i decided i dont like it in the future.

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2010, 07:13:49 PM »
the russian chaika's tend to be a dime a dozen...

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2010, 07:17:43 PM »
I picked up an Olympus Pen EE for about 25 quid. Bloody brilliant, it'll be my son's first camera when he wants to get going, auto everything

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2010, 08:44:00 PM »
Don't get a Diana Mini, It's wonderful in square format but very painful to use in half frame.

There's always the sweet Kyocera/Yashica Samurai. Half frame SLR with a fixed zoom lens.
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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2010, 08:56:09 PM »
I have been looking to get an Olympus Pen EE as well so that would be my first choice, but they can get pricey. If you fancy something Russian there's the Fed Micron as well. If you want somthing brand new go for the Golden Half but it's going to be more than 20 quid (around 35 or so).

A Canon Demi, Ricoh Auto Half or Canon Dial 35 will cost you a small fortune on ebay so I'd skip them unless you are really sure that you want them. You can keep an eye for the Ansco Memo II which is the same as the Ricoh under a different brand in the US.

If you fancy something very cheap and very exotic you can go for a Bencini Koroll which is half frame but uses 120 film.

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2010, 09:20:47 PM »
I have two Olypmus Pens..both are vintage and work very well..but then I like the little framed edge so they work perfectly for me..and love the weighty feel of them! One was a gift and the other I purchased on ebay..but not cheaply...And I have loved the results so far!

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2010, 11:55:40 PM »
ARGH just missed out on the demi i wanted, it went for £27! my bloody brother was signed in to his ebay and by the time i signed into mine it had JUST ended. Anyway thanks a LOAD for all the replies :-)

Think i may have to just save a few pennies and get a ricoh auto half as they are sooo cool. will defo keep my eye out for the cheaper options in the mean while tho

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 02:49:36 AM »
Agat 18K

it's pretty cute and makes some sharp images.  And even though it has a glass lens, I would probably put it in the toy category since the controls are somewhat limited.



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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 12:46:46 PM »

As above, the Agat 18k though the Chaika's are more robust and the 3 even has a lightmetre (but loses the B shutter).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/milesdavissmiley/sets/72157624429580847/

These are some of my half frames.

There's a Fed Micron on the bay now too ...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110564350889&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 02:02:19 PM »
More for interest than a serious suggestion:
http://www.cameraquest.com/M4%20fake.htm

Cool all the same, if you've never seen one.
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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2010, 03:17:29 PM »
i have a chaika II and a olympus pen ee-3. i'm very happy with both of them. they seem to be quit versatile even in low light situations. i wish my pen had a b setting. i thought  the b setting on my chiaka was broken, but i just checked it again and it seems to work fine.

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2010, 10:42:10 PM »
Hot off of the Chiaka 3 today on Charity Shop expired Agfa Vista 200.  The good thing about the Chaika it you can take off the lens and hold it on the other way around.

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 12:13:47 AM »
Assume you have seen this then?

Ricoh Auto Half Review.

A thoroughly effective way to enjoy film! Please keep us posted... Skj.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2010, 12:36:40 AM by Skorj »

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2010, 09:29:05 AM »

There's a Fed Micron on the bay now too ...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110564350889&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

way ahead of you, have been watching it for a couple of days :-P

the more i think about it, I'm probably going to just start setting aside a little bit of money a week for the ricoh auto half, reduces guilt factors of camera splurging aswel :-P

will check out that review later after work skorj :-) altho im already convinced.

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2015, 10:52:07 PM »
dug out the Agat 18K and took it for a spin to see if it still works and it does!

The spacing is a bit wonky, but that's okay.   8)
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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2015, 11:14:13 PM »
Did you have to go through the 72 exposure torture test  ;D

I'm happy I didn't :)
48 was enough for me, especially with the wonky film advance wheel...
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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2015, 01:08:39 AM »
I am half-seriously thinking of getting a Holga TIM for half frame pictures. Also for stereoscopic pictures. Ok, mostly for stereoscopic pictures :D

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2015, 02:20:28 AM »
Yes, 48 was more than enough...
I thought it would be fun for a summer road trip I have coming up.

Besides, this thing as a real pain to get open,it's tough on fingernails,
 so I don't mind not having to open it very often!
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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2015, 08:31:58 AM »
one day I want one of these B-)

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2015, 02:05:28 PM »
I am half-seriously thinking of getting a Holga TIM for half frame pictures. Also for stereoscopic pictures. Ok, mostly for stereoscopic pictures :D
I don't know if the distance between the lenses is enough to get good stereo separation?
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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2015, 05:02:31 PM »
I am half-seriously thinking of getting a Holga TIM for half frame pictures. Also for stereoscopic pictures. Ok, mostly for stereoscopic pictures :D
I don't know if the distance between the lenses is enough to get good stereo separation?

Ah, didn't consider that ... you're probably right :-\

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2015, 05:46:54 PM »
You can probably get a Yashica Samurai quite cheap if you can stand the design. Konica made a very sleek and compact model in the 80's, the AA-35 / Recorder. It's one of the few half-frames with landscape format (without turning it 90 deg.  ;)). It's probably not very cheap.
There is one half frame that I would love to own:

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Canon_Dial_35
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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2015, 07:08:52 PM »
You can probably get a Yashica Samurai quite cheap if you can stand the design. Konica made a very sleek and compact model in the 80's, the AA-35 / Recorder. It's one of the few half-frames with landscape format (without turning it 90 deg.  ;)). It's probably not very cheap.

I have a Samurai Z - it too shoots in landscape format in its normal orientation. The design is not exactly the most aesthetically pleasing, but it's pretty good from a functionality standpoint.

My golden rule for half-frame is to shoot really fine-grained films. TMax 100 and Ektar are my go-to choices for my half-frame cameras. To wit:


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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2015, 09:46:39 PM »
I know that if I could get my hands on a Samurai, I would definitely get it!
It's incredible and since I like the no nonsense approach of the Ricoh Mirai, I'd probably be happy with it.
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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2015, 01:07:22 PM »
I really must drag mine out again, as the Auto Half does a great job. Here's from the last time mine was used by a friend with expired film of some sort...


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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2015, 08:46:29 PM »

Only gone and bought another Ricoh Auto Half, the metering has gone on my original.

I have a weakness for half frame.

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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2015, 09:20:31 PM »
After using a Samurai x3.0 at the weekend, I definitely recommend them. (More pictures in the photo essay section).


Yashica Samurai x3.0
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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2015, 09:21:54 PM »
How about quarter frame?  Actually these are halves of stereo pairs from my View-Master camera.  I get about 72 pairs from a 36 exposure roll of 35mm film.  It usually takes me close to a year to finish off a roll.

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2015, 02:07:21 AM »
I have a Samurai 3, they are a fun camera. I find it a bit noisy and the design took me a bit to get used to but I like it. Most people think it is some kind of video camera when they see it.

The Holga TIM, I can speak from experience, doesn't get good stereo separation (I've tried and tried...) But I think you can some interesting images but I never connected with mine. 

The Oly half frame Pens though are my favorites (I have more than I need)...

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2015, 02:40:35 AM »
I agree that Olympus really nailed half-frame with the PEN series. I tried the Olympus PEN EES-2, but the auto exposure only setup didn't really work for me. Eventually I found a PEN D-series, specifically a D3, for a reasonable price - once I got it working properly it proved to be everything I could want in a half-frame camera: quality construction, nice lens (fast, too), full control over everything, and even a decent meter. The Samurai Z is really capable, but again the auto-everything (even focus) is not my favorite.
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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2015, 02:59:33 AM »
Ah the D3, I haven't used any in that series but I do have an EED which I believe has the same lens. The EED's body is modeled on the Pen F series but with auto exposure and fixed lens. I don't care for the EES versions personally, something about the build that I didn't like, but I think the EE2 & EE3 are great. They are essentially like the Oly Trip, a classic & accessible design. I picked up a Pen EF recently which I really like - more or less an EE3 but with a built in flash. Dead simple and fun.

The Samurai, if you're careful, I think you could use to make little movies, a la Lomokino.

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2015, 12:09:25 PM »
I've known about half-frame 35 mm for many decades, but only recently picked up and overhauled a Universal Mercury II, an odd and interesting camera that got me hooked on the generous number of exposures that half-frame makes possible. The contact sheets contain so many images in chronological order that they serve as a visual diary of each of the weeks that I typically take to get through a roll of film. I especially like the way that panorama series look on the filmstrip, plus I can use expensive film like Portra without fretting too much about the cost per shot. Manual exposure and zone focus take some time and concentration, but that's my current preference after years of being frustrated by automatic cameras.

The Mercury is fun to use and quite the conversation piece, but it's big and heavy, so I looked around for something smaller and settled on the viewfinder style Olympus Pen. I ended up with a Pen-S, with 6 speeds and f2.8 lens, but the standard f3.5 Pen would have been fine too. I like the super-quiet shutter, bright-line viewfinder, low-profile lens with simple controls, zone-focus click stops, compact body and hefty construction. There's no light meter, but I carry a hand-held for indoors and use Sunny 16 outdoors. I suppose a metered Pen-D would be nice, but I'm not interested in the automated Pen-EE variants.

I considered the Pen-F SLR, but they're pretty expensive, not very small and increasingly hard to service. I found a Canon Demi at an estate sale, but the light meter didn't work and without that the Demi seemed confusing to adjust manually because the mostly unmarked shutter speeds are mechanically linked to the lens openings in a rigid exposure program. The Demi had a very clear viewfinder, but overall didn't seem as solid as the Pen.

If I came across a Samurai or Konica Auto Reflex convertible full/half-frame SLR, those would be interesting, even though they're auto exposure. Too bad there are so few half-frame rangefinders.

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Re: half frame advice
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2015, 01:03:22 PM »
Well would you look at that. I nip back on to the forum to see what's cracking and first thing I see is that a thread I started 5 years ago has been resurrected haha.

Never did get a half frame, though still list after a Ricoh auto half or a canon Demi. In fact I came extremely close to buying a Demi in an awesome camera shop in Manchester last year, the price was right but only because it was a little worse for wear. They had a mint looking one but wanted loads

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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2015, 03:24:15 PM »
Welcome back Thom!

And a warm welcome to you Lee.
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« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2015, 03:36:12 PM »
Thanks, Francois!