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LT

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Positive Printing Plans
« on: November 09, 2008, 11:18:56 AM »
In a desperate ploy to avoid essay writing, I thought I'd kick of a thread based on the re-awoken discussion here: http://filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=47.0

So here are the steps I took to make an expressive print of my WTCD '08 shot "Folkestone Pavement"

Camera/ Neg  Details:  Holga 120s, ILFORD HP5+ in a Catechol/Metol homebrew developer.

Final Print Details: Fomatone MG Matt Paper, ILFORD Bromophen 1:5 21 deg, warm Harman Selenium 1:7 until shadows turn rich brown.
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This is a flat neg scan with the levels set at just hitting the black and white points.  I felt the most important contrast area was between the leaves and pavement in the middle area around the circular object.  This printed best on this paper at grade 2 1/2.  Sadly, I dont have a series of work prints to scan, so I've broken down all the steps of manipulation I used to get the final print:
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1. Base exposure was 9.24 seconds at Grade 2 1/2 with the shadow area indicated dodged for about 4 seconds (just under 1/2 stop) to keep a hint of shadow detail.  I could have dropped contrast grade (to about 1 1/2) here instead of dodging the shadow, but that would have affected the local contrast in the pavement and leaves which I felt to be key to my interpretation of the print.  If I'd followed the rule of selecting global contrast based upon the deepest shadow in the negative, this print would have ended up dull and flat.
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2. The indicated area received a graduated  burn for about 5 seconds (1/2 stop) using a piece of matt black card.  to darken the foreground and draw the eye in towards the centre.
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3. The indicated area received a graduated  burn for about 7 seconds (2/3 stop) using a piece of matt black card.  This was to give an emphasis on the horizontal ellipse of light and detail following the scatter of leaves which echoes the shape of the sphere's shadow.
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4. The indicated area received an overall burn for about 3 1/2  seconds (1/3 stop) using a piece of matt black card.  This was to take the background to almost complete shadow with just a little detail showing through.
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5. The indicated area received an overall burn for about 5 seconds (1/2 stop) using a piece of matt black card with a hole in. I did this to bring down the brightness of the ball shape slightly so it wouldn't compete with the bright leaves.
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6. This time, I changed to grade 5 and burned the circular shape using a card with a hole in it for about 22 seconds  (1 & 1/6 stops). The change of grade was to bring out the gritty texture on the ball shape.
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The final Print

I wanted to make the print very dark and gloomy, with the lit areas very much standing out from very deep shadows.  As you can see from the neg scan, there is lots of detail in the neg leaving quite a bit of room for interpretation. I wanted to leave just a hint of detail coming from the background which is there in the print (I hope this shows) so that it is clear there is something there, but it needs a bit of exploration to see.

I use an F-stop printing timer as I find it more convenient to think in stops rather than seconds - the times above are approximate as the timer I have automatically adjusts for reciprocity failure in the paper - so whereas a base exposure is 10 seconds, an extra stop (eg 10 seconds) actually works out to be a bit more to make up for the loss of paper speed.


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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2008, 11:48:26 AM »
I think... I do not like B&W printing that much and I will never do this much work to one print  :-\ I'm just not that type of printing gal...  Having seen the final print, I thought it was just printed as G5 with maybe some burning in around the edges, not *that* much different little bits and pieces. It is a fine print, though, it's just something I'd not do (though my husband said I should just send you my negatives to print for me :P )
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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2008, 12:12:07 PM »
Heather - if it had been printed at grade 5 there would have been none of hte fine highlight details in the leaves and all the shadows would be dense black and lifeless.  I suppose this highlights the problems with web-display and print scans - they never show quite what they should
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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2008, 04:03:33 PM »
Excellent Mr Leon. Seeing I am still blinking from an hour in the dark - a not very fulfilling hour at that -I am very pleased to see this thread. What a great idea to revive this :-).
I might try and do something similar - soon. I'd be happy to have some ideas on how to print a contrasty and dodgy neg.

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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 04:25:01 PM »
Andrea and everyone else - please do post more.  Share and share alike I say
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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 05:28:32 PM »
On a similar, but much more chicken-in-a-basket, note......

What about a monthly/weekly scanned neg that anyone can download and then do with as they wish (on the computer), and then submit their interpretation?

Bit like the "Printer's Art" bit in Black and White Photography*.

Just a thought,


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PS - *What's with the "Secret Diary of Lee Frost Aged 13 and 3/4" new bit at the back of B&WP?  Last month's read like an advert for his house!
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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2008, 06:39:28 PM »
Nice work Leon - art and vision!

On a similar, but much more chicken-in-a-basket, note......

What about a monthly/weekly scanned neg that anyone can download and then do with as they wish (on the computer), and then submit their interpretation?

Bit like the "Printer's Art" bit in Black and White Photography*.

Just a thought,

Chops


Not a bad idea at all?

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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2008, 11:37:37 PM »
i did a blog post a couple years ago about working with poor negatives in photoshop. certainly less involved than printing the image, but still useful for those difficult negs. the ruck is pre and post photoshop work. and there are occasionally shots i like that would be impossible to print, like this inside shot that was super dark and super thin. only doable on a computer, probably...or it would take a long time to work through it in a darkroom.

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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2008, 07:17:54 PM »
For those who haven't seen Leon's prints 'in the flesh' as it were I can assure you that they're 400% more impressive than seen through a web browser. I'm a cynical old hack and try hard not to be impressed by things like dark room prints, but I was given a guided tour through The Druid's portfolio a couple of months ago and was utterly blown away - the prints have a depth to them that I was quite moved by. Definitely worth the time and effort he puts in.

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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2008, 11:50:19 PM »
Excellent post, thank you Leon. I was never sure about what an extra stop means in a darkroom context. Well explained burning technique  :)

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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2008, 06:15:37 PM »
Could the forum be missing a trick by not following this one up?

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2008, 11:40:01 PM »
I have a question:

What density range do you prefer? simply put: thin, normal (if there?s such a thing), thick, or really thick.

this question is not just for Leon, feel free to answer.

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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2008, 09:39:35 AM »
I'm a dense man myself - anyone else?
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Re: Positive Printing Plans
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2008, 07:36:10 PM »
Thin negatives are not my favorite either. They sometimes lack too much detail. And if you have to dodge and burn, they're a real nightmare (what can you do in 2 seconds? I'm not The Flash!)

But too dense is also not fun... When you enlarge something big, you can sometimes have enough time to get to sleep :(
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