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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2015, 08:54:19 PM »
Just because I can stick my hand in a beehive doesnt mean its always a good idea.

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2015, 10:27:39 AM »
Had one of those with a very rude doorman the other week, he got the GR1s flash in his eyes as a reward which got him pretty angry.
Threatening to call the police when I refused to delete the picture - which I thought was a pretty good idea. The police arrived and told the doorman to stop wasting their time and that I had the right to take photos of whatever I wanted when in public, I tok a few more snaps (I know, I was acting like a complete idiot) and needless to say I left with a big grin on my face. I don´t like rude doormen!
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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2015, 12:55:11 PM »
Any Canucks know our rights here with regards to photography?
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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2015, 01:04:44 PM »
I don't think I'd go out of my way to upset a doorman.  Although their trade is regulated (in the UK) they are unlikely to come from a legally trained background and, putting it politely, they may act first and think later.

That said, I have absolutely no concern about acting within my rights in the presence of UK Police and we should actually be encouraged to do so. As Aksel's anecdote shows, Police are there for our protection as well as to uphold the law if we're breaking it.

The only issue, photographically, I've ever had with Police relates to PCSO (Police Community Support Officers).  They dress "like" the Police but have considerably less powers of arrest.  I suspect, being a relatively new outfit, they are probably the current government's attempt to be able to claim that they've increased the number of Police on the street.

A couple of them have "interrupted" me whist taking photos in London and even attempted to get me to show them what I'd photographed (difficult without removing the film and having it processed) but, as they're not entitled to do so, they were told to sod off I declined.  One even tried to insist that I hand over the camera or the film.

I definitely wouldn't have any problem with photographing the Police whilst they were performing their duties (without interfering) as, if they're acting within the law, what do they have to hide? 

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2015, 02:14:01 PM »
The police issue is big here in the US since photographing them in the act of arresting, brutalizing, or killing unarmed citizens is a way to counter the official story that up until recently has invariably been accepted as the truth.

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2015, 04:15:14 PM »
Any Canucks know our rights here with regards to photography?
I could jokingly say that if you stay out of Quebec, you can photograph whatever you want!  ;D
I know it sounds stupid but it isn't too far from the truth.
In all the provinces, you're allowed to take pictures of whatever is in a public space without having to answer to anyone.
When it comes to private spaces, then you have to get a signed paper.

But in Quebec, the lines are quite blurred since people own their own image. The only times things are OK are when the person is of public interest, when people are obviously giving themselves as a public show like in parades and festivals, when the event is newsworthy like in a riot or during a fire.
All the rest is really up for interpretation.

I knew a guy who took a photo of a group of punks and got the image published as a postcard. He received a nice legal threat asking him to pay-up... and it came from a very well respected lawfirm to boot. I don't know what happened with this but lets just say it probably wasn't the most pleasant thing in the world. Especially since it can be argued that by having spiky green hair and wearing leather jackets with studs in a city park could be interpreted as offering a public presentation of some sort.
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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2015, 09:54:31 PM »
I was talking with some trainspotters in Massachusetts last year who told me they'd been accosted by a cop for videotaping passing trains.  When the one train enthusiast said it was just a camera, the cop said, "No it's not, that's a GUN!"  Seems to me like institutionalized hysteria, but I'm biased.

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2015, 10:44:57 PM »
(Shaking head with a puzzled look)

Is it just me or we are collectively sinking into a dystopia?
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I had a short break in France recently and spent an afternoon in Cannes.  Fortunately I didn't know about the French laws on privacy (http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/paris-city-of-rights/) so I snapped away.  Lucky I did, for as you can see I have proof positive that vampires live among us - or in Cannes, at least.

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2015, 01:45:47 PM »
That was an interesting read, because I've been photographing in Paris on and off for years and never had a problem. I didn't realise their laws were so strict. I use a rangefinder and try to be discrete, so that obviously helps. I still remember when it was called reportage, now it seems to be called 'Street Photography'. I'd hate not to carry a camera.

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2015, 01:48:12 PM »
That was an interesting read, because I've been photographing in Paris on and off for years and never had a problem. I didn't realise their laws were so strict. I use a rangefinder and try to be discrete, so that obviously helps. I still remember when it was called reportage, now it seems to be called 'Street Photography'. I'd hate not to carry a camera.

Love the pic!

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2015, 03:16:09 PM »
Yes it certainly pays to be discrete these days Maljac.  I had a rangefinder with me that day in Cannes too.  I'm not massively into street photography but it seemed the thing to do that day.  I just kept the camera up to my eye long after taking the photograph and hoped no-one noticed (or cared).  On this occasion that seemed to work OK.

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2015, 03:47:57 PM »
Ive been stopped by the police a couple of times, last was with a gripped SLR and quite a long lens around my neck, my response to "what are you doing?" was confusion initially. I also made him say i'd been stopped under terrorism laws, as I couldn't quite grasp what he meant by "current climate" I pointed out several times it was quite warm................

I don't actually like photographing people, they move and get in the way of stuff I do want to photograph, but if someone indicates they would rather I didn't then I don't, they also usually move on quickly

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2015, 05:23:50 PM »
I couldn't quite grasp what he meant by "current climate" I pointed out several times it was quite warm................

Ooh, cheeky, cheeky ;D I generally avoid "golly gee whiz" questions like that because I don't want to give cops another excuse to arrest me (being brown is one immediate strike, photographing in public is a second strike, and you know the rules of baseball... ;) )

I don't actually like photographing people, they move and get in the way of stuff I do want to photograph, but if someone indicates they would rather I didn't then I don't, they also usually move on quickly

This is me as well. Also, I hate when people (usually tourists) stop when I'm setting up for a picture so that they won't walk in front of me. I feel like saying "this is NYC! People walk by all the time! You're stressing me out more by stopping than you would by walking in front of me!" :D

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2015, 06:07:03 PM »

This is me as well. Also, I hate when people (usually tourists) stop when I'm setting up for a picture so that they won't walk in front of me. I feel like saying "this is NYC! People walk by all the time! You're stressing me out more by stopping than you would by walking in front of me!" :D

They mess up my timing!


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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2015, 08:45:37 PM »

This is me as well. Also, I hate when people (usually tourists) stop when I'm setting up for a picture so that they won't walk in front of me. I feel like saying "this is NYC! People walk by all the time! You're stressing me out more by stopping than you would by walking in front of me!" :D

They mess up my timing!

Even worse is if I'm doing a long-exposure, so if they just walk right through they won't even appear on the negative, but then they see me, stop in frame, look at me, ask if they should move, generally shuffle around like an idiot, and boom. My shot is ruined.

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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2015, 09:14:50 PM »
This piece on Kertesz seems related

http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/04/andr-kertsz-watching-from-above/#

It's an interesting piece.  I liked his images - even though half of me felt that he was engaging in voyeurism or even cheating by effectively hiding from his subjects, certainly anyone caught photographing women sunbathing these days would risk arrest or assault (depending on who caught you). 

The fact is that people have never been more self aware or insecure about their own image and insecurity is what leads people to react aggressively to anyone infringing they believe is infringing their own "copyright".  I also believe the photographer has an obligation to respect his subjects right to privacy -  I have to say I wouldn't like someone sticking a lens against one of my windows and so why would I expect anyone else to tolerate that from me?  How I would react is a different matter and there is no excuse for security guards or the police to intervene inappropriately.

Discretion is the better part of valour when photographing- unless you are in a war zone and getting paid handsomely for risking your life.  If you are an amateur like me then it's best to avoid accusations of  voyeurism.


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Re: Re photographing people in public who don't want to be photographed
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2015, 11:03:25 PM »
This is me as well. Also, I hate when people (usually tourists) stop when I'm setting up for a picture so that they won't walk in front of me.
But on the other hand, it gives you a perfect excuse to have a nice collection of white socks and sandals or perfect combovers  ;D

But yeah, I tend to try and avoid confrontation. I did notice that some places are more tolerant towards photography than others.
I heard that New Yorkers tend to not notice it when you use a flash outside since there are so many lights all over the city.
But on the other hand, in my suburb you have to be extra discrete to take people pictures as the people who live around here are slightly "paranoid" when it comes to photography and will either come and try and beat you up even if they would be the size of ants in the image or simply call the cops on you...

Even a good picture is not worth getting into trouble.

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