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The Photocopy Club
« on: November 24, 2014, 10:35:50 PM »
We all need a good kick some times to get us back on track.
Inspiration is hard to get these days, but I discovered this yesterday.
http://thephotocopyclub.com/

This is what happens when you combine photography with a DIY aesthetics and a good old punk style F*** Y**.
And while looking at some of the sites related to this project, like the Hamburger Eyes fanzine, I noticed that many of them are actually film based images.

I just wish there was more stuff like that.

Hope you find the thing interesting.
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Re: The Photocopy Club
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2014, 10:54:02 PM »
awesome! thanks for the link :)
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Re: The Photocopy Club
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2014, 09:03:40 AM »
I saw this a while ago  - its great!  really good energy and I like the way they go about it

 

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2014, 04:55:14 PM »
I like this.

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Re: The Photocopy Club
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 07:45:30 PM »
I like the "idea" of it but I'm not convinced I'd like the "execution" of it.  There's enough of me that recognises that, as I'm a bit of a perfectionist and control freak, photocopies of prints would have to be really exceptional for me to get involved with this sort of thing.  It seems such a waste to spend so much on cameras, lenses, processing and printing to print onto photocopy paper. 

However, that's just my take and, after all, I am way, way more "Prog" than "Punk"  8)
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2014, 07:56:36 PM »
However, that's just my take and, after all, I am way, way more "Prog" than "Punk"  8)

That's an excellent analogy, I love it  8)

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Re: The Photocopy Club
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2014, 09:07:53 PM »
Like everything there are pros and cons.
Like you said, quality is not as good as it could be. But on the other hand it's really cheap and easy and it gives you the chance of putting your photography in the hands of many.

I know I find this quite attractive in a way. Many great photographers like Daido started out doing this.
And now photocopies are getting to be really good. When back in university when analog copiers were all there was, I had discovered that images printed on inkjet would reproduce really well on copiers. Granted my old printer had only 360DPI but the little dots created a pattern coarse enough to reproduce decent grayscales. I had inadvertently re-invented the Ben-Day Dot!
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2014, 11:00:52 PM »
The Photocopy Club is based at The Doomed Gallery in Ridley Road Market, Dalston.
http://doomedgallery.tumblr.com

It's a very friendly place and they have regular shows which are usually photography based and very often analogue. I've shown a few things in joint shows over the last year and the openings are always good social occasions. I think they've had eight shows over Photomonth. (Which lasts for two months!)

They also host the London Alternative Photography Collective meetings once a month which have had some fascinating talks. Again, very friendly evenings. Must be the Red Stripe lager!
http://lapc.4ormat.com/next-meeting

The whole zine scene which the Photocopy Club is part of, is really growing, and like punk, letting people publish with very little outlay. While the work is not meant to be top repro quality, I'm really impressed with the quality Matt is getting with his new copy machine. Quite fancy getting one myself.

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2014, 03:49:03 PM »
There's enough of me that recognises that, as I'm a bit of a perfectionist and control freak, photocopies of prints would have to be really exceptional for me to get involved with this sort of thing.
I was thinking about this last night and I've come up with another of my hare brained theories... but I think it makes some sense.
Every print has a certain number of criteria that can be laid out in a formation that I call the print triangle. On the surface, you have tonal distribution which occupies the top point. On the two remaining bottom points, you have composition and content. The rule goes in a way that you need to have at least two points to make a picture worthwhile.
When you use photocopy as a distribution medium, you loose the tonal distribution. This means that your image can only rely on composition and content to convey its message.

But this doesn't mean that it is worthless in any way. We can compare it to bad prints of good images. The best example is if we look at "Migrant Mother", a classic in every right. The print quality is not awesome, it is even said that it's almost a miracle that an image could be made from such a badly exposed and developed negative. Yet the image remains powerful mainly because of the subject.
On the other hand, there are some of Ansel's very slick prints that have either doubtful subjects or shoddy composition and yet they still work.

Photocopy for me is a perfect way to get physical images into the hands of the people. And with the copiers becoming better than ever, it sounds like a very interesting alternative. This is especially true of the color laser copiers. And there are also good laser printers that can be used like they do for Hamburger Eyes.
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Re: The Photocopy Club
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2014, 04:57:51 PM »
For me it's the subject matter and composition of an image that grabs me in the first place. If an great image is photocopied then then it's usually still a great image...one which I could enjoy and potentially be inspired by. If that same image were to be printed by a master dark room printer on some quality paper stock then I'd almost certainly appreciate elements of it even more, but above all I suspect I'd appreciate the print itself and admire the skill of the printer in addition to my pre-existing appreciation of the image captured by the photographer.

On the other hand, if it's a terrible photocopy then it's game over, because it will probably just be a black, splodgy mess (I speak as a veteran photocopy freak from the 80's making flyers & fanzines & printing t-shirts).....but I'm definitely, absolutely, utterly in the "something rather than nothing" camp and if your passion is capturing meorable/inspirational images and getting your work out there is your bag, then I say go for it.

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2014, 05:19:37 PM »
I follow their tumblr and now, looking at a couple videos on their site from shows they've put on, a couple things strike me -- there are some very large Xerox machines out there because the output is often huge; and the tonal quality is surprisingly good.

It's not clear to me how they make them... I guess a PDF file sent from the computer to the photocopier.

Anyway, interesting...

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2014, 06:05:19 PM »
the largest I can do is 12 x 18 inch, I often have to half cut 24x36 inch paper, but thats with a laser printer. 36 inch by 20 feet roll cut as well.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2014, 09:17:18 PM »
I've done huge prints like that, but mostly of vector graphics. And I should say that if you know the tricks of the trade, they're incredibly cheap!
What I've done was log on to my local Staples copy center's website and upload a file to print as an architectural drawing. Their system and the employees try to push the expensive prints any way they can but if you keep on saying you want the B&W architect's print it goes through and that's what you get.
As for the price, I got a large print, I think it was 24x36 inches for something like 4$... that cheap.

And the quality, while not being photographic in the sense we normally use, is quite impressive. I'd consider it a bit closer to some alternative process than a printer output. You get a bit of uneven tones, low D-max... but it's definitely worth trying it out at least once just to see how good it is. They have three formats offered and the biggest one is just huge (maybe A1)...
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2014, 09:32:43 AM »
I've done huge prints like that, but mostly of vector graphics. And I should say that if you know the tricks of the trade, they're incredibly cheap!
What I've done was log on to my local Staples copy center's website and upload a file to print as an architectural drawing. Their system and the employees try to push the expensive prints any way they can but if you keep on saying you want the B&W architect's print it goes through and that's what you get.
As for the price, I got a large print, I think it was 24x36 inches for something like 4$... that cheap.

And the quality, while not being photographic in the sense we normally use, is quite impressive. I'd consider it a bit closer to some alternative process than a printer output. You get a bit of uneven tones, low D-max... but it's definitely worth trying it out at least once just to see how good it is. They have three formats offered and the biggest one is just huge (maybe A1)...
kind of like these? http://photojojo.com/engineerprints/
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2014, 03:45:40 PM »
Exactly. Only cheaper and local pick-up :)
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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2014, 05:56:20 PM »
I suspect there's some fun to be had with some of the old-school press tricks and new copiers.

Remember dithering?

(for anyone else who just jumped down the rabbit hole: http://www.tinrocket.com/hyperdither/)
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2014, 10:42:05 PM »
Or you can go nice with the Rasterizer http://www.rasterizer.de/
Or naughty with the Rasterbator http://rasterbator.net/

The rasterizer will run on the Mac and the PC. The sheet size can be customized by hacking into one of the files.
The Rasterbator is PC only and you need to reconfig it every time you use it.

They also both give quite different results even if they claim to be essentially the same.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2014, 09:46:20 PM »
I'm going for it. I'm getting a gang of 'alt' models together (some quite punky, lottsa body mods) wearing what they wish, if anything, and some classical beauties, all nude/revealing/topless. I'm going to throw the lot together in a studio and see what happens.  A snap will be submitted to the San Fran (as I understand young persons call it) exhibition. As my work is usually refused, I'm hoping the content of this will be right on the money and grant me access. Even if it isnt the Royal Academy's (open) Summer Exhibition.
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2014, 10:11:28 PM »
Very punk of you  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2014, 04:56:53 PM »
I shall keep quiet about shooting the snap on a very un-punk Blad! With the Leica R8 as a back-up camera. Interestingly, when I shoot young (18+) models with a film camera, they often think that I'm 'awesome' for taking the 'risk' of using fim. They somehow (mistakenly) think that I know what I'm doing more than Digital Dave who stands there and blasts through 400 frames in an hour or two. And I really like that - not the admiration - but telling these people who have never owned anything which wasn't digital or quartz that many people still shoot film. They assume that, like their dad's record player, all that old stuff just gathers dust and isn't actually used any more.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2014, 05:04:18 PM »
It's nice to shoot film when the subjects have only known digital so that we're not distracted and sidetracked by them wanting to see what I just shot.

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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2014, 09:04:02 PM »
I must admit that I noticed that using old gear somehow brings some sort of notoriety in people's mind.
It's sort of like saying we must know what we're doing if we don't spray and pray...

BTW, a 'Blad or a Leica doesn't make it less punk. It's all about attitude, not gear.
Just remember the old days before Punk became a fashion statement.
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2014, 01:08:21 PM »
It's nice to shoot film when the subjects have only known digital so that we're not distracted and sidetracked by them wanting to see what I just shot.

Now that is a very good point.

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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2014, 01:36:14 PM »
I suppose that to increase my punk cred, I could smash the Blad & R8 up with my monopod after the shoot finishes.
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2014, 02:26:15 PM »
Well, except for a few, gear smashing was not a common thing.
From what I could see, instruments are relatively precious even to the punk crowd so they took relatively good care of the tools of expression. Not something that can be said of the venue's bathrooms  ;)
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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2014, 03:51:12 PM »
Oi! We're real people you know and we have feelings too.

 ;) ;D

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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2014, 08:24:32 PM »
Definitely!
And some of the nicest most genuine people too :)
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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2014, 09:03:05 AM »
I this a lot, I've always been into the zine thing since the 70s. I actively spent a couple of weeks last year trying to find somewhere where I could print my own zine in the UK. Surprisingly we don't have the DIY Kinko type stores they have in the US. I found one place but it was in Leeds which is a good 200 miles from me.

Having said that this has really stirred the idea again and I'm going to spend some more time over Christmas investigating. I suppose one way would be to buy an old copier and stick it in my shed, then I'd have total control. .. actually I said that as a joke but it's not such a bad idea.  ;)
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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2014, 10:55:24 AM »
Nigel: go for it!
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« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2014, 10:57:27 AM »
Nigel: sit rep: TheBay is full of them, going cheap. If only I had a shed...
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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2014, 02:02:39 PM »
Nigel, how about doing it like last time? The quality of the NYC book is great.

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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2014, 03:40:20 PM »
What I was actually thinking of doing is do a fully handmade layout, scan it and send it out to MagCloud.
They specialize in making magazines and have some very interesting prices and options. They do saddle stitch for free, perfect binding for cheap, have a ton of paper sizes.

Other options are some small Canon copiers. They make a toner based version that looks quite nice. I think Brother has one too. The fun thing about today's copiers is that they double as printers and scanners.
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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2014, 10:26:03 PM »
Nigel, how about doing it like last time? The quality of the NYC book is great.

Hi Urban, thanks the quality of the NYC book was good but it wasn't what I intended when I started out on the journey. I also like the idea of doing the whole thing. I've been looking at how to hand stitch books.

Not quite like this, but on this principle : http://www.instructables.com/id/Handbound-Book/?ALLSTEPS

Interestingly I've seen photocopiers on eBay local to me for under £50. At that price it has to be worth a go.

If anyone is interested in cheap printing of books in the UK I can recommend these people : http://www.inkylittlefingers.co.uk

The whole book making / printing / zine thing pushes all my buttons. Our discussion here got me googling and there's a Zine Fair locally here on Sunday so I'm going to do my best to make it along.

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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2014, 11:33:26 PM »
I know the more recent copiers handle pictures much better than the old ones.
Also look at how much the toner for the printer costs. This is often the deal breaker as it can be darn expensive.

As for bookbinding, I know I have a book on the subject coming through the chimney on the 24'th :)
I know it covers also Japanese bookbinding... beautiful.
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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2014, 07:42:44 PM »
Nigel, how about doing it like last time? The quality of the NYC book is great.

Hi Urban, thanks the quality of the NYC book was good but it wasn't what I intended when I started out on the journey. I also like the idea of doing the whole thing. I've been looking at how to hand stitch books.

Not quite like this, but on this principle : http://www.instructables.com/id/Handbound-Book/?ALLSTEPS

Interestingly I've seen photocopiers on eBay local to me for under £50. At that price it has to be worth a go.

If anyone is interested in cheap printing of books in the UK I can recommend these people : http://www.inkylittlefingers.co.uk

The whole book making / printing / zine thing pushes all my buttons. Our discussion here got me googling and there's a Zine Fair locally here on Sunday so I'm going to do my best to make it along.
The fair on Sunday is at Doomed which is also home to the Photocopy Club so this thread has come full circle! Sadly I'm not in London on Sunday.