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Peter84

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Kickstarter suicides
« on: November 04, 2014, 04:45:55 PM »
Now to start of I don't want to offend anyone but does anyone here share my opinion that kickstarter has exploded with crappy projects.
It started when I got an email about the fact that cine still did not reach their goal. sad of course, but 360K....
So while still on their site I thought let's see if there's a fun new other photography-based project I may inject with my plastic cash and I was flabbergasted by the amount of projects on kickstarter that are absolutely not worth giving a dollar to.
It made me wonder what a good kickstarter project should be all about. I think one of the most important things is it should have a good business case. In other words a demand for it. This https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1877549057/european-selfie-tour?ref=category for example I think won't make it. Of course trying to see if other people will finance your eurotrip is not a bad idea. To me that's another aspect, it must be a good idea, of course that's not a guarantee it will work. This https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/selfie/the-surrogate-selfies-project-you-and-me-in-nyc?ref=category_popular seems like a fun project, but I'd rather save the money and visit NY myself (and have a beer with some filmwasters there  8) ) so I think it lacks demand.
I think people will only back it if the what's-in-it-for-me-factor is there, I see lot's of people trying to get something funded, like a new camera or lens, without something in return for it. Now you can believe in the kindness of mankind but kindly asking for $3600 for a new camera body....
Done with my ranting I'd like to hear your thoughts about it

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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 04:57:43 PM »
I agree with you Peter. There has to be something in it for the donors. At LEAST there has to be something in it for photography in general as an art form or a hobby. Creating a new camera to bring to market qualifies. Buying myself that Bessa II with the Apo Lanthar doesn't. Still, I don't think most people have enough business acumen to really bring a product to market. Kickstarter is a great thing for those that do, but I agree that the signal to noise ratio is pretty low.
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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 06:29:09 PM »
I see a lot of crap on Kickstarter. I even went to the length of reporting this one.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1701714485/banksy-unseen-vintage-banksy-image?ref=nav_search

The campaign wasn't overcoming any problems, it wasn't developing any new product. It was just selling a banksy image that may or not have even been banksy. It's ridiculous. This is what ebay is for.

There will be garbage everywhere. I hope kickstarter starts cracking down on these "projects".

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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 06:39:07 PM »
I would hope Kickstarter would monitor and crack down on stuff like that but bogus or not they still get their cut.

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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2014, 07:00:23 PM »
Yeah I don't plan on ever giving to kickstarter that's whole purpose seems to be to buy someone a piece of equipment or send someone on vacation to do a "project". Kickstater is kind of the internet equivalent to panhandling, but I support efforts like book publishing or production of a product. Not "I want this expensive wide angle lens".
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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2014, 08:19:07 PM »
My favorite stupid, panhandling kickstarter project I've seen in the past year is this one:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1749418062/i-want-to-introduce-kenny-loggins-in-a-guys-living
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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 08:32:41 PM »
As much as I hate the style of projects Peter refers to I hate this garbage even more: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1913522509/flim-bringing-a-new-life-to-film

Glad it didn't get funded.

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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2014, 10:59:48 PM »
And indiegogo isn't much better
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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2014, 11:39:18 PM »
I'm not sure if the programme has any equivalent outside the UK but, here, we have a programme called "The Dragon's Den". The idea is simple; a bunch of wannabe entrepreneurs strut their ideas in front of a panel of 4 real entrepreneurs to try to get one or more of them to back their business ventures - for a share in the business and, hopefully, long term profits.

Most of the wannabes are well meaning but deluded in some way - bad product, too much existing competition, no significant customer base, unrealistic valuation of their prospective business - or any combination. Most leave the "Den" with a good idea of where and why they've failed to entice financial backing.

These Kickstarter projects remind me of the Dragon's Den - albeit the crowd funding is at a much lower level individually.  I'm sure there are some great and worthy ideas out there and, if we want to take a punt with a few shekels, we're unlikely to lose much.  Others look like chancers trying to get the public to fund a half-thought-through bad idea or their next holiday. Whether we support or not is our decision.  I think it's wrong to judge Kickstarter as they could just as easily facilitate a phenomenal success as an abject failure.

The idea is, I suppose, "Darwinian" as the stronger propositions should have the best chance of survival.  If not, who is to blame? The "entrepreneur" or those who haven't thought it through before parting with their money - as there's absolutely no compulsion to do so.
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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2014, 02:19:21 AM »
I think people will only back it if the what's-in-it-for-me-factor is there, I see lot's of people trying to get something funded, like a new camera or lens, without something in return for it. Now you can believe in the kindness of mankind but kindly asking for $3600 for a new camera body....
Done with my ranting I'd like to hear your thoughts about it



I haven't looked at Kickstarter in a while (after impulsively funding a few projects that I regretted spending money on later), but it used to be that all projects had to be approved by Kickstarter and they didn't approve projects that were purely about funding equipment purchases. So something must have changed there.

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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2014, 04:06:38 AM »
What does Kickstarter care if a project works or tanks leaving the backers holding the empty bag? They get their cut right off the top and then it's ta ta, hope it works out for you folks.

What Kickstarter will finally wind up being is a way for the big boys to pre-sell some massively overpriced toy, (insert Lomo Petzval, New Russar 20mm, etc) without risk. If they get 1000 subscribers they know how many units are they are going to sell, in other words, no wrong assumptions with the resulting dead inventory eating up profits.

I backed a very popular Kickstarter that is a year late with no firm end in sight but dog gone it, it is a really good idea and I'm hopping it won't die. The creators just got in over their heads with many unforeseen (and probably unforeseeable) occurrences fouling their timeline. They are doggedly trying to finish this project and I really hope they are finally successful.

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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2014, 04:40:16 AM »
And indiegogo isn't much better

I'd argue that it's far worse.

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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2014, 01:49:56 PM »
Thing is they are catering to two different types of projects. Kickstarter is more product oriented as Indiegogo is more "philanthropic" in a way...
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Re: Kickstarter suicides
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2014, 07:29:32 PM »
I think people choose Indiegogo just because you get the money whether you hit your goal or not. So it is better for a less organized project whose creators don't have a big social network (because the people who do best on Kickstarter almost always have a big social network).