Topic: Whither subclub?

[mcduff]

I have been trying to get to http://www.subclub.org/ for a while. It was old but full of great info for fools such as myself who for some reason like tiny negatives ;-)

Does anyone know about any dirt in this site??

They had one of the best description on the bewildering members if the Olympus Pen family (EE vs EE2 vs EE3 vs ED etc haha).

[Francois]

The site is still on... but no updates since 2004...

I think it's a perfect candidate for vacuuming using Httrack before it disappears.

[Phil Bebbington]

François, you constantly amaze me with what you know. I had no idea that such a thing was possible.

Thanks for assisting in the long and slow process of educating me.

[tkmedia]

yes, I notice that the site has some issues as well as I frequently link to it.

[mcduff]

The site is still on... but no updates since 2004...

I think it's a perfect candidate for vacuuming using Httrack before it disappears.

Weird. I have not been able to get to it for a few days. Have you been there recently, Francois?

It is a shame as it has a ton of info in it that you will not find on places such as camera-wiki.org. The wayback machine still can access the info I want. I have contacted the fellow running it to see if it is just a hiccup. If he is not asking intending to maintain it, I might politely ask him if I can move some of it to camera-wiki or even the mothership wikipedia

[Francois]

I've been to it just this morning.

Here's the website copier
http://www.httrack.com/

[Francois]

I just mirrored the site. Here's the rar file on my Google Drive
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1dmZoIlURfDRkc1LVM0bVVOR1k/edit?usp=sharing

[mcduff]

Thanks Francois. Weird I can get to it now, but I think I will grab that rar file when I am not on my phone just to be safe. Any time a film camera site is not accessible i panic ;-)

That site is not maintained much any more but has a lot of amazing info on it if you are a submin fan.

[tkmedia]

It is a shame as it has a ton of info in it that you will not find on places such as camera-wiki.org.

Sorry about that, I just have not done much at all on sub mini cameras on the site. Here are all the articles we currently have marked as submini.

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Category:Subminiature

Over the past two three years I did a ton of work on medium format articles.

 Bronica ETR, ETRC, ETRS, ETR-C, ETRsi, SQ, SQ-A, SQ-Ai, SQ-B, Z, D, S2, S2A, EC, EC-TL, ECTL II.
 Fuji GS645, GS645W, GS645S, GA645, GA645i, GA645W, GA645Wi, GA645zi, GX680, GX680II, GX680III, GX680IIIS, G617.
 Mamiya RB67, RZ67, Press, started writing Mamiya C series TLR articles, but that has stalled a bit and the articles are not as complete as I want them to be.
 Horseman 612, 617
 various hasselbald, a few
35mm rangefinders like the Leica M5, Zeiss Ikon (Cosina), and almost every article on Sekonic light meters.

[mcduff]

Hi tkmedia. Please don't take my comments as a slight to all the great stuff at camera-wiki! It is just that there are some insanely detailed sites out there on specific species (genus? Families? Phylums?) of cameras, and the subclub is one of those sites that has crazy amounts of info in it. Maybe I should take some if the info in that site and being careful not the plagiarize, and to prperly refference, make some entries for the cameras I care about (starting with the oly half frames). 

[tkmedia]

we have a specific category on half frame.

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Category:Half_frame

and a general overview article on Pen
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Olympus_Pen

any additions would be great.

Francois, thanks for letting me know about httrack, I remember using a CLI type program on BSD to do that in the beginning of the modern internet. Since http://www.subclub.org/ is such a basic static site utilities like that seem to work well.

[mcduff]

Ya thanks Francois a out pointing out htttrack. I usually rely on the somewhat incomplete wayback machine. Not always good. While I use some Linux boxes I do not as my desktop and htttrack is not avail on OS X but a quick search revealed sitesucker which seems to work OK too.

As a few folks have mentioned some sites they like disappearing, iit is probably a good idea to archive a site u like. The subclub which is full of a lot of great info was only a bit more than 15 negs I think.

I will expand the pen articles on camera-wiki instead of just whinging about sites going up and down

[Francois]

There doesn't seem to be many programs that do what Httrack does on the Mac.
But you could probably get it running using Winebottler
http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/

It's just WINE for the mac. I run Wine on my linux box and it probably runs 90% of all windows software. And best of all, it's free!

[mcduff]

OK we are getting a bit OT (like that ever happens around here -- wait, I should mention how it will be skateboarding season soon )

But thanks for pointing out httrack Francois. Ya you are right, apps like siteslurper cannot do all the stuff that httrack can do. Things like siteslurper are fine for sites like subclub (which clearly is not adding new content) but I really like how httrack can update your mirror of a site.

It was actually easy getting it running on my mac. Someone had compiled a macports (a package management tool for OS X that I think is based on BSD ports) version of it. It is just the command line but that is OK as it is simple to run. I could have installed the windows version but I think the command line version does what I want and I dont have to spark up a VM to use it.

[Francois]

The fun thing about WINE is that it's not a virtual machine. It's not an emulator either so you don't loose a ton of CPU cycles running useless stuff. It doesn't require Windows either. What it is is a bunch of natively compiled libraries which allow the Mac or Linux box to run Windoze stuff. It doesn't share memory, doesn't load when you don't need it to. It can only run on x86 compatible chips, so no PPC or ARM ports. It's small as it doesn't require its own swap file or a dedicated file system. And it's fast enough to play games like Warcraft and Counter Strike.

[mcduff]

Huh. I should check it out. My son makes me run our main mac with bootcamp so he can play some games - some of which u mentioned. I always assumed WINE was an emulator. I will play with it.

[Francois]

Do it!
It's easy to take off if you don't like it.