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CineStill: New 120 Film on Kickstarter
« on: September 24, 2014, 01:30:24 PM »
I just saw this on Kickstarter and thought you guys would be interested. I know I'm pretty excited by it!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cinestill/cinestill-medium-format-film

The samples posted look gorgeous!

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Re: CineStill: New 120 Film on Kickstarter
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2014, 03:19:15 PM »
I just saw this on Kickstarter and thought you guys would be interested. I know I'm pretty excited by it!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cinestill/cinestill-medium-format-film

The samples posted look gorgeous!

Definitely looks impressive.  Are you part of the kickstarter project? coz I have some questions regarding where it sourced their compatible raw materials.
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Re: CineStill: New 120 Film on Kickstarter
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2014, 06:20:09 PM »
So they developed a process to remove the rem-jet from Kodak Vision 3 500T without damaging the emulsion.  They are also building a machine to trim the film to size.  I'm not sure if they are doing anything else to the film other than adding backing paper, this is a quote from the Kickstarter page:

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"Cross processing these amazing film stocks in standard C-41 machines was not accessible until the hurdles of rem-jet and continuous long roll processing were overcome. Our very custom "Premoval" process makes this motion picture (ECN-2) film safe for processing in standard photo lab machines and in C-41 kits, with great color and a slightly increased gamma level, equivalent to a professional 800 Tungsten C-41 film.

So just the "Premoval" process of removing the rem-jet makes it possible to process as C-41?  Does that somehow bump it from 500 to 800 ISO?

I'm starting to think I may get in on this.

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Re: CineStill: New 120 Film on Kickstarter
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2014, 07:22:25 PM »
Most likely the difference in ISO is a result of the different chemistry in the development.  ECN-2 may be less active than C-41.  Rem-jet shouldn't affect exposure or development, except to the extent that it suppresses halation in the camera.  Their "premoval" process just saves the user the hassle of scrubbing the remjet off.  And saves conventional labs the hassle of having their machinery gunked up with gloopy black stuff.  (Note the phrase "safe for processing in standard photo lab machines".)

I've encountered stories of people loading cinema film in still cameras and then taking it to a movie film lab for processing, but I expect that's an expensive way to go: I can't imagine that the lab would welcome having to splice my 3 feet of film onto their 10,000 foot run.  They'd have to charge a lot more than a conventional still film lab to pay for that hassle.

But the coolest thing about 5219/7219 is the 16 stops of effective latitude: at those numbers, ISOs become pretty arbitrary.  A little push or pull in the soup and you've got a huge range to play with.

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Re: CineStill: New 120 Film on Kickstarter
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2014, 07:53:33 PM »
But the coolest thing about 5219/7219 is the 16 stops of effective latitude: at those numbers, ISOs become pretty arbitrary.  A little push or pull in the soup and you've got a huge range to play with.

That's why it is sort of confusing that they are making the distinction of "800" instead of the "box speed" of 500. I don't think you would need to do much to your process shooting at either of these EIs. That's just a guess on my part. What do I know? I've never shot cine film in a still camera.  :o
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Re: CineStill: New 120 Film on Kickstarter
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2014, 08:00:51 PM »
I think you're absolutely right.  In a way, they're underrating the capability of the stuff.  I expect they re-designated it 800 as a marketing strategy.  Now we'll have to buy a roll and see how far it can go!

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Re: CineStill: New 120 Film on Kickstarter
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2014, 01:47:10 AM »
I just saw this on Kickstarter and thought you guys would be interested. I know I'm pretty excited by it!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cinestill/cinestill-medium-format-film

The samples posted look gorgeous!

Definitely looks impressive.  Are you part of the kickstarter project? coz I have some questions regarding where it sourced their compatible raw materials.


No, I'm not part of it. I just saw it online and thought it would be of interest. I am definitely pledging!

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Re: CineStill: New 120 Film on Kickstarter
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2014, 01:05:47 AM »
Looks interesting but $20 for a single roll isn't much of an upfront deal!
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