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« on: June 25, 2013, 06:53:22 PM »
OK, so its not the sexiest topic in the world but I'm now starting get a pile of 5x4 film and paper negs and trial prints on my desk and there are only so many dirty looks I can avoid from the other half.

So how do you organise your stuff? Do you sort by date or topic or substrate? Or whether the final print is to be scanned or silver printed or alt process? Are they in a box or a file?

This is second time around with film, I'd like to restart with good habits this time so I plan to steal all the best ideas you present!


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Re: Organising and labeling
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2013, 07:16:35 PM »
I keep film in a binder nicely kept. Instant shots live loose in a photo box a little smaller than a shoebox, and prints would likely be in the same boat, if not on the wall!

I used to tape everything to the wall around my desk. Looked pretty cool. But when we moved I had to take it all down.

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2013, 07:29:24 PM »
I have a settee. The negs live there for a while and fall down the back of the cushions - where, sometimes I find them. Of sometimes the kittens, now just left home, found them and gave them a certain patina.

Of course, the ones I want to keep I usually put in neg sleeves. When I remember that is.

Paper negs go into various boxes that sometimes find their way to the top of the pile. Labelling; no. It spoils the fun!

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Re: Organising and labeling
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2013, 07:48:34 PM »
Tintin: I was actually thinking of taping some prints to the wall like that too, looks good.

Andrea: you're supposed to be encouraging good habits, not adding fuel to fire my laziness!

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Re: Organising and labeling
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2013, 09:03:06 PM »
Does being an organization freak count as help?  ;D
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Re: Organising and labeling
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2013, 09:55:30 PM »
Possibly Francois, just don't scare me!

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2013, 10:21:34 PM »
OK... here I go.

-I use a sorting system base on the ISO date format. YYYY-MM-DD-Film number of the day
-If needed, I add more info at the end of the number format.
-I use an electronic Dymo machine (Brother P-Touch) to make numbers consistent, besides, it looks better when all neatly filed.
-Monochrome film gets stored in Print File sleeves. Lab processed color film gets left in their envelopes. 4x5 film gets stored in paper CD holders (I got them cheap). Instant film gets inserted in regular 4x5 print sleeves.
-I always put the labels on the top right side. It's neater than sticking them anywhere.
-Contact prints and index prints get numbered in the same way and stored in a small photo album. For color work, the album gets stored in the same box as the film and print envelopes. I use Ikea Kassette DVD boxes to store them as they're the right size and have a nice metal label holder on the front. I put the start and end year on the box labels (but I could be more descriptive there). I still use the Dymo for that.
-B&W contact prints get stored in binders using 8x10 print pages. I fold the negative sheet behind the index print.

I tried adding a database component to that but found it a bit too much work for what I do... but I might eventually get to it.
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2013, 11:41:24 PM »
Oh, I do exactly what François does.

In my dreams  ;D

I do number the neg sheets as I scan them though, much in the same way  as François and there the similarity  ends. I think I have the last 10 years piled around me - nicely numbered, but, in piles!

I'll get to it.

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2013, 11:52:45 PM »
Cigar boxes hold most of my loose 4 x 5 (in sleeves) negatives and 4 x 5 Harman positive prints.

I also have shoe boxes under the bed with more loose prints in them.  Numbering system ??? Nah!
Strips of 120 negs go in 3 ring binders.




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Re: Organising and labeling
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2013, 04:42:12 AM »
OK... here I go.

-I use a sorting system base on the ISO date format. YYYY-MM-DD-Film number of the day
-If needed, I add more info at the end of the number format.
-I use an electronic Dymo machine (Brother P-Touch) to make numbers consistent, besides, it looks better when all neatly filed.
-Monochrome film gets stored in Print File sleeves. Lab processed color film gets left in their envelopes. 4x5 film gets stored in paper CD holders (I got them cheap). Instant film gets inserted in regular 4x5 print sleeves.
-I always put the labels on the top right side. It's neater than sticking them anywhere.
-Contact prints and index prints get numbered in the same way and stored in a small photo album. For color work, the album gets stored in the same box as the film and print envelopes. I use Ikea Kassette DVD boxes to store them as they're the right size and have a nice metal label holder on the front. I put the start and end year on the box labels (but I could be more descriptive there). I still use the Dymo for that.
-B&W contact prints get stored in binders using 8x10 print pages. I fold the negative sheet behind the index print.

I tried adding a database component to that but found it a bit too much work for what I do... but I might eventually get to it.

Oh my god, I think I need a cigarette after reading that.

I long to be that organized but alas, I'm not quite there. For many of my pictures when I was still making prints and not scanning, I have photo boxes organized by location with the negatives filed with the matching prints. As I was going through them a couple of weeks ago, however, I realized that the negatives don't always correspond and they've gotten misplaced and disorganized.

For newer stuff, I've been trying to keep all the negatives in one place, but nothing is labeled yet. My instant material is fairly new so I'm trying to develop a system. So far I have them in envelopes: prints, washed negatives, unwashed negatives, prints for practicing emulsion lifts, emulsion lifts, and emulsion transfers. There's not that many of them yet (I've only recently started working with my Polaroid) so as the collection grows, I might have to reorganize. I'm also just getting up the nerve to start doing some pinhole with photo paper and contact printing, so I'll have to develop another system for that.

On my computer, things are a bit more organized. I categorize first by camera, then by B&W vs Color, and then each batch is labeled with film, location and date. I think that's ideally how I would organize the physical materials as well. Most of my stuff is from my Pentax, so my existing system wouldn't have to be drastically reorganized.

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Re: Organising and labeling
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2013, 07:43:48 AM »
Just piles and piles in boxes with no numbers or referencing.
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2013, 08:08:26 AM »
I thought I was going to get inspired into some wonderful archiving system instead my whole "pile it high and shove it into boxes when it looks untidy" system appears to be the norm.

Edit: Francois excluded, of course. :)

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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2013, 08:53:22 AM »
Just piles and piles in boxes with no numbers or referencing.

What he ^^ said - but I have plans to buy binders and a reference card system (or maybe an XL spreadsheet or database. Dunno yet.

The killer for me, right now, is organising hundreds of Gb of scans store in my hard drive. I'm sorely tempted to wipe the lot and re-scan now that I've learned how to use the V750 a bit better. Not an expert, by any means, but better than I was a few years ago when I got it.
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2013, 09:26:40 AM »
Negatives stored in sleeves and stored in box files - no labelling.  I scan all negatives and the best shots are filed on my computer by location (ie New York, Paris, Peckham).


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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2013, 09:40:33 AM »
All my negs/trans are stored in 4 ring binders with a slip case to stop dust. Every roll has a contact sheet so I know what's on where. All my 5x4's are stored in Secol archival filing boxes. By the very nature of the fact I file everything as I take them they're all in date order!

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« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2013, 11:09:23 AM »
I scan the good ones, and keep every neg.

The negs are stored according to film type B+W/E6/C41, and format 35mm/120/45.

Then I use Paul's technique of reverse chronological order, the newest are on top of the file, these are all in a filing cabinet I rescued from a skip.

The really good prints, end up in frames that I rotate around the house/gallery/my work office.

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Re: Organising and labeling
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2013, 12:13:32 PM »
Well, I think the main thing is I don't have to make it as complicated as I first thought. Somewhere between Andrea/Leon and Francois......so kinda like Dave, Paul and Charles.

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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2013, 12:38:36 PM »
i file my 120 negs in sleeves and binders.
each sleeve is hand written on with:
date,
camera used,
film used,
brief location/content

binders are filed per year and divided down by camera used.

The instant "negs" and prints are filed in 4x5 sleeves
and filed unorganised in binders.

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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2013, 01:04:26 PM »
big old pox of polaroids all totally mixed together in no order at all.

120 negs in a folder labelled with camera, location and film type...

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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2013, 02:42:25 PM »
Oh my god, I think I need a cigarette after reading that.
Once you get things running, it's really not that bad. Using the ISO date is a simple way to keep things in order and easy to sort. It even comes to a point where I date everything in that format as it's so simple. Thing is, in English we use the MM-DD-YYYY format as in French we use the DD-MM-YYYY format. This makes mistakes a pain to sort out. Also, by using the regular formats, the lowest number stays the same for the whole year which is completely illogical. ISO date takes care of everything by sorting in order of scale (a year is longer than a month...).

And using the Dymo machine... well this is just an excuse to play with it :) (I just love this thing!)

message written 2013-06-26 you see, this is easy  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2013, 03:06:14 PM »
I have some thin dowels with binder clips attached from which I hang negatives to dry. Then I cut them, scan them and put the negs into Printfile sleeves. I label the sleeves with date shot, camera, film, subject and processing info and put them into cheap three ring binders. One for 35mm, one for 120, one for 4x5, etc. During the scanning process there's lots of negs on the desk for days, some more uninteresting rolls( or even the good rolls if I'm short on time) will get left hanging on the clips for days or weeks on end.

Polaroid and Fuji Instant shots are kept in boxes. Prints are kept in drawers, boxes, glassine envelopes, essentially wherever there is roommate.

I'd call it quasi-organized with lapses.

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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2013, 04:54:48 PM »
I have some thin dowels with binder clips attached from which I hang negatives to dry. Then I cut them, scan them and put the negs into Printfile sleeves. I label the sleeves with date shot, camera, film, subject and processing info and put them into cheap three ring binders. One for 35mm, one for 120, one for 4x5, etc. During the scanning process there's lots of negs on the desk for days, some more uninteresting rolls( or even the good rolls if I'm short on time) will get left hanging on the clips for days or weeks on end.

Polaroid and Fuji Instant shots are kept in boxes. Prints are kept in drawers, boxes, glassine envelopes, essentially wherever there is roommate.

I'd call it quasi-organized with lapses.


This is pretty much how I do it too.

And one thing I do is make custom labels for the ends of the binders, usually by year, or subject. So picking them out from the shelf I don't have to go through them to figure out what's on them. Sleeves inside are then organized by date, but all the info I would need to find the shot is written at the top. I usually remember what I shot on a roll for years, but I still have to plan ahead for when I'm old!  :P

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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2013, 01:19:13 PM »
Just a quick question. I'm sure one of our more "tecchie" brethren will know the answer.....

Once I've done a "preview" scan (using VueScan) is it possible to import that into a Word document or (better still) PDF, name it and store it in my hard drive as a sort of virtual contact sheet??

If so, I could just label the negative storage file with the "name" given above and move on....

Here's hoping  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2013, 01:24:39 PM »
Paul, do you mean the preview of, say, a strip of negs?

Edit: Further thoughts; I assume when you preview you see 12 frames on screen in the Vuescan preview and you select one of those to scan at high res. Could you not just select all 12 negs and scan them at 100dpi? That can then be output as a PDF. I think that's what you're asking.
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« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2013, 01:25:59 PM »
if you can't PDF it (I have no idea) you could do a screen grab of the entire screen and save that as a jpeg, which I guess you could then pdf if you wished...

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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2013, 05:16:02 PM »
I archive negs in PrintFile sleaves in binders.

Organised according to date. yyyy-mm-dd.

I also note film, exposure, developer and developing regime, locale, and if I remember camera/lens.

When I really get into printing, I will make a template for notes for each print. What paper, film, and neg no. Base exposure, contrast filters etc, dodge and burn notes ++ If I get a print I am happy with it may end up on the wall, or in a binder along with the notes.

Polaroids I put in an old fashioned album if they are keepers, the others I just put in an old biscuit tin.
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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2013, 06:11:44 PM »
I'm pretty similar to Alan

i file my 35mm & 120 negs in sleeves and binders. that is: when not in piles, waiting to be scanned. too large piles and I chuck them in binders, I mix all and only sort by chronoligical order.
each sleeve is hand written on with:
date,
camera used (sometimes lens also),
film used,
developer used,
brief location/content and if any special technique was tried

binders are filed per year and divided down by camera used unmarked what so ever.  ::)

The instant "negs" and prints are filed in 4x5 boxes. instant boxes for instant film and photographic paper box(es) for 4x5
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2013, 07:06:59 PM »
I number every roll, and that number is the indexing field for everything. I write it on the sleeve, and keep a database (using a mac program called Bento, though I don't recommend it tbh, if I did it again I'd just use a spreadsheet) with roll number, time and date, development, notes, camera, film etc. When I scan the negatives I put the files in a directory called "rollXXX - crappy photos from wherever" and also tag them in Aperture with "rollXXX".

I'm not always so great at keeping the database accurate, but if there's one thing I know it's that it's important to have a unique identifier for each item to use in different media, which is roll (+ shot number if need be). Otherwise it's much harder to cross reference.

Negatives go in Printfile sleeves in binders. Or maybe in a big pile by the scanner which falls over sometimes.
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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2013, 09:07:06 PM »
One thing I've discovered is that putting everything in a database is a big job. Even when you can tag stuff on the computer, it's still a chore. When you think about it, Times magazine has an entire department to deal with just that!
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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2013, 05:52:44 AM »
One thing I've discovered is that putting everything in a database is a big job. Even when you can tag stuff on the computer, it's still a chore. When you think about it, Times magazine has an entire department to deal with just that!
yeah, working with a database is my day job. I like filmwasting n darkrooming because it takes me away from the computer! haha

a bit bummed out right now though, had a late spring cleaning and realised that the pile of negs on my scanner had been a constant build up since december!!!  :o
I kind of get now those guys who are shooting during the summer and scanning/darkrooming during the winter >:(
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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2013, 02:52:26 PM »
These days, I try and process as I go and just date the stuff so I can keep a bit of order in the system.
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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2013, 03:36:50 PM »
I am amazed. I am not great in the organizing and cataloging of negatives, but I have been good about sleaving them. I have many ring binders full of them. I began doing that many years ago. Somewhere in that lot there is a sleave #000001 with the subject and date. I soon gave that up as I ramped up my film wasting.  :D

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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2013, 06:53:26 AM »
big old pox of polaroids all totally mixed together

Haha, A Pox of Polaroids! I think I caught that. ;)

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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2013, 12:54:13 PM »
What little organisation I had has vaporised this year. I really MUST get my act together and get my negs labelled and stored properly - before the task becomes just too large.

I've also wondered about re-scanning most of what I have as I'm just about getting to grips with my scanner and the current crop are looking a whole lot better than my earliest attempts.
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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2013, 03:59:34 PM »
big old pox of polaroids all totally mixed together

Haha, A Pox of Polaroids! I think I caught that. ;)
I didn't know it was that contagious!
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