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Ed Wenn

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Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« on: February 24, 2011, 05:26:09 PM »
Am I alone in the world of Polaroid sheet film users in not realising that Type 51 produces a re-usable neg in similar fashion to Type 55? I'm guessing the detail won't be as high, but it's interesting nonetheless. I have 2 or 3 boxes of Type 51 that I've been using over the years and I didn't have a clue about the re-usable neg.

Anyone had experience with this film?

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Re: Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 08:33:39 PM »
All I have had is type 52... sorry.
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Re: Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 09:41:45 PM »
i have some but it's dry...may develop in a pan, though.

i find it interesting how willing people are to overbid on ANY large format pola film regardless of how old it is.
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Re: Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 10:50:43 PM »
I've used it. If you're shooting for the negative, meter at 80 or 100. If you're shooting for the positive carry on as you have been.  You can clear them reasonably well with cool (not cold or hot) running tap water and even leave a little emulsion on for that faux collodion look I like ! 

Otherwise, sodium sulfate will give you a nice clean negative.  They scan well but do not fit well into 4x5 print files.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 10:00:32 AM »
Gregor, I guess I expected the mechanics to be the same as Type 55 which I've used a fair bit....what I was wondering about was whether the negs were appreciably different (e.g. more blown out due to the more contrasty nature of the film) or whether they were as good as 55....otherwise why the huge focus on Type 55 as the awesome-ist thing since cherry beer (OK, maybe that's just me) and no mention anywhere of how Type 51 is just as good.

"Faux Collodion" would make a great band name, BTW.
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Re: Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2011, 02:29:26 PM »
I don't think it's substantially more contrasty if you are shooting for the neg.  If you are shooting for the positive or some mid-point, then yes, it has a lot more contrast. But then in 2011 what polaroid 4x5 isn't contrasty due to expiration dates?

Most people aren't that aware of 51, not to mention the fact it's a p/n film. Plus the simple fact is the number of 4x5 shooters who used 55 for 'test' shots then switched backs to use Acros or other 100 speed films probably weighs in - that's some reasons why all the attention is on 55 for those 4x5 p/n devotees.

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Re: Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2011, 03:33:25 PM »
Thanks for the update. Will dig out the Type 51 and see if I have any left. I've been shooting it for years without realising the p/n aspect of it. Am now kicking myself.

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Re: Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2011, 01:46:45 AM »
Gregor, I guess I expected the mechanics to be the same as Type 55 which I've used a fair bit....what I was wondering about was whether the negs were appreciably different (e.g. more blown out due to the more contrasty nature of the film) or whether they were as good as 55....otherwise why the huge focus on Type 55 as the awesome-ist thing since cherry beer (OK, maybe that's just me) and no mention anywhere of how Type 51 is just as good.

"Faux Collodion" would make a great band name, BTW.
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The reason for the huge focus on Type 55 is simple, familiarity. Commercial shooter's are much more familiar with Type 55 because for years it was THEE go to film for checking studio light setups due to the medium contrast instant print. As a result, Type 55 developed a tremendous following and saturated the market place among studio pros and artists.

Type 51 is lesser known since it's primary use was with government agencies and law enforcement. The nice thing is that Type 51 delivers the SAME reusable medium contrast neg. material as 55. The instant print is the only thing that differs, it will be really high contrast and totally useless. The print is intentionally high contrast as it was made to be used forensics people to record fingerprints and crime scene evidence.

But as artists we're after the film anyway so who cares? Simply rate Type 51 at the same ISO as you would for Type 55 and shoot away. Peel and discard the blown out print and voila! You have a Type 55 neg.

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Re: Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2011, 09:40:22 AM »
Thanks for the background info and the clarification re usage. Much appreciated.

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Re: Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2011, 03:31:49 PM »
Ugh.  I never paid attention to my 51 negs and they're gone now... Kicking myself but this is good background!

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Re: Polaroid Type 51 Revelation
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2011, 03:16:42 AM »
For anyone who may be interested, there's boxes of Type 51 for sale on the auction site right now..  ;)