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Karl

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Darkroom Printing - Paper and Developer Advice
« on: February 11, 2010, 09:33:28 AM »
Thanks for you encouraging comments about the first of my portraits on the thread
http://filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=2719.0

Have any of you printers out there got advice on a good paper and developer combination to get a similar result to the PS version? I usually use Ilford FB Warmtone for most prints, either in PQ Universal or WArmtone developer if I want warmer finish. For this I want some thing neutral but strong and with rich blacks?

Or toning advice, given that I quad toned it (neutral load) in PS? Selenium (haven't used before)?

thanks!
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Re: Darkroom Printing - Paper and Developer Advice
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2010, 03:53:40 PM »
For the developer I would suggest Ilford Warmtone and select a fiber based paper of your choice. I've always like the Ilford semi-matte papers myself....

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Re: Darkroom Printing - Paper and Developer Advice
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2010, 05:55:26 PM »
I'm fond of Moersch Eco 4812 paper developer. It's extremely robust at working dilutions of 1:14 - easily processes 30 8X10 prints with no variation in result. And if you don't exhaust it in one session, just pour the developer into a bottle and store - it will give equivalent results even several months later. With papers like Ilford MG IV and Oriental Seagull neutral tone papers it will give a very slightly warm tone with nice deep blacks; toning in selenium will bring the tone back to neutral/slightly cool if that is your preferred look.

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Re: Darkroom Printing - Paper and Developer Advice
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2010, 06:19:19 PM »
Another heads up for Ilford FB Warmtone in Semi-Matt.

My preferred soup is Agfa Neutol WA from my stunning cache of a cunning stash.

Careful with the Selenium.  It is highly toxic - fumes as well.  Use in a well ventilated space ? perhaps with an exhaust fan and respirator mask..

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Re: Darkroom Printing - Paper and Developer Advice
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2010, 01:14:47 AM »
I've found the two-part Kodak sepia toner to be effective and convenient. One batch costs about $4 (350 yen) here in Tokyo and can tone up to 20 8x10 prints.

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Re: Darkroom Printing - Paper and Developer Advice
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 09:39:22 AM »
if you're looking for neutral, I'd avoid the warmtone developers and possibly the ilford warmtone paper ... although the newer version does have a whiter base, if you still have the older stuff, it is probably too creamy for what you are after. Ilford Harman Warmtone developer is to readily reddy-warm to use for neutral tones I'd say

fomabrom variant paper is nicely neutral with a nice bright white base - and if the tones on my monitor are anything to go by, a slightly cooler developer is called for - you can go two ways with this - either use your pq universal at a stronger dilution (based on the premise that under developed prints will always be warmer in appearance) or opt for a cool developer - Tetenal Eukobrom is great  - not particularly Bluey, but still cooler than most.

OR - you could use your PQ then selenium (which is totally safe provided you follow the safety instructions)  - selenium has an initial cooling effect before it starts to turn plummy - the make of toner, dilution, temperature, type of paper and even developer used will all impact on the nature of the reaction.  The problem is by the time the mid tones are turning bluey, the shadows have already gone plummy so you will effect a split.  I find this is easier with Maco Selenia rather than any of the other makes - Kodak comes close though.  Harman Selenium toner is not great for forcing colour changes, but fine for archival toning or subtle effects.

OR - you could use your PQ fairly dilute to force a greeny-warm tone, then neutralise in a relatively weak selenium.

Finally, if you want to go super cool, straight gold toning will do the trick - if you can afford the toner!

hope that helps :)

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Re: Darkroom Printing - Paper and Developer Advice
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2010, 09:19:18 PM »
thanks all. Leon, your recommendations sound like the thing to try as I am trying to steer away from an obvious warm finish. I did have a box of Foma but ruined them when the communal darkroom light got turned on and the packet was still open! I'll get some more.
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