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Hasselblad recommodation
« on: March 25, 2009, 06:28:08 PM »
I have off loaded all my other medium format equipment (Mamyia and Fuji) to get into a Hasselblad and was wondering what you all think would be the best body model.  Looking to start with a 80mm lens, but am unsure of all the advantages of the various body styles.  Any practical feedback would be great.

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 08:46:31 PM »
All of the Hasselblad bodies are pretty much the same in the 500 series (the later ones like the 503 have TTL flash capability).
For starting out, I think the 500 C/M is very good. It's the same as the earlier 500 model, but you have the option to change/replace the viewing screen yourself (as opposed to having a repair shop do it for you). The screens and mirrors in the 500 C/M are also brighter than the earlier models.
 An 80mm 2.8 lens is great to have. The earlier ones are chrome (silver or black) and use Bayonet 50 size filters. The later ones are a bit larger and are marked CF (there are also CFi and CB versions); these use Bayonet 60 size filters.
For backs, the A12s are very good, and there are several variations (the last have a built-on holder for the dark slide). Avoid the earlier "peep" backs, as they can give odd spacing on your film.
 Most of the cameras you will find will have the waist-level finder, which is ok until you're outdoors in the bright sun. Look for a 45 degree prism finder (don't spend your money on the metered ones). At the store I work at, a Hasselblad 500 C/M in good condition with an 80mm lens, an A12 back, a waist-level finder, and a 45 degree prism usually totals to about $700-800.
Try to get your camera from a local dealer so you can check the camera yourself. Also, try to get as late a model of the body and back as you can. Hasselblad uses a date code as part of
their serial numbers on the body and backs:
V H P   I   C   T U  R  E   S
1  2  3 4  5   6  7  8  9  0
Example: a serial number such as 10ER8999  tells you that the part was made in 1998.
There is also a date code on the lenses, but they can be tough to read.
Things to check on a used Hasselblad include:

The lens: should have no excessive scratches on the front element and should be free of
dust and fungus. The focus ring should feel smooth when used. The shutter speeds
should sound progressively faster as you change from 1-1/500th. The aperture diaphragm should be free of oil on the blades. The lens mount should be free of dents and gouges. The
lens should attach and remove from the body securely and smoothly.

The body: should have no gummy light seal foam, and the mirror should be free of
scratches. The film advance should sound and feel smooth. The rear shutter baffle should be even when closed and have no gaps.

The back: should open and close smoothly. The film insert should be free of scratches on the film rollers and should feel and move smoothly. When attached to the camera, the back should feel secure, and there should be no gaps visible between the back and the body.
Ideally, the dark slide should have no dents or bends and should be easy to insert and remove. Also, the film insert and the back should have matching serial numbers.

There is at least one Hasselblad compendium available that will tell you all about the various models, lenses and accessories. I don't remember the exact title, but if you do
a search on google, you should find it.

Hope this helps :D

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 09:10:24 PM »
Might want to check out these:
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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2009, 12:20:39 AM »
I have both a 500CM and a 503CW & I love both, for different reasons and uses.

The advantage with the 503CW is that you can have the winder on which can be great for people or other moving subjects. Plus, with the winder on you can hold it just like a 35mm (off the tripod) and be more mobile. I just love the way it feels and sits in my hands.

I also have an Accu-mat Screen in each which I highly recommend because it makes viewing brighter and easier to focus. You can easily get these used.

I also have the PME51 (45 degree metered finder), and I like that as well. The only problem I have with it is that because of the 45 degree angle, and me being short, sometimes the camera angle is a bit lower than I'd like and I have to scramble to get a higher vantage point (but it would be worse with the waist level finder!)

If you are getting something used, I'd make sure you have the option of returning it, and as soon as you get it, take it to the nearest Hasselblad service center for a clean & check (and to make sure it all checks out OK). Also, before you even buy it, if you ask the seller for the serial numbers, you can check with Hasselblad to find out how old it is and if they ever did any repairs to it.

A great book to add to your library if you're going to go Hasselblad, is 'The Hasselblad Manual' by Ernst Wildi. It has everything you need to know about the care and feeding of your new baby (and details about any camera or accessory they've made).

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2009, 01:11:02 AM »
A collection of Zeiss lenses can be costly, so I chose the cheapest body (in good nick)
that I could find. In my case that turned out to be  the old reliable 500CM.

I feel well covered with the 50mm Distagon, 80mm Planar and 180mm Sonnar.
The camera is an RH (82) which has never missed a beat.
I also echo the comment on hunting down an Accumat screen.

I don't use it nearly enough at the moment, but sometimes I'll just get it out, lie back and and fire, wind-on, fire, wind-on.
 for the sheer pleasure of using the mechanism. :P sad huh?

OH, and for the hand held work you can buy a generic L shaped bracket and grip that attaches to your tripod socket. Not quite as sexy as the motor drive, but it does help.
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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2009, 08:36:00 AM »
The only problem I have with it is that because of the 45 degree angle, and me being short, sometimes the camera angle is a bit lower than I'd like and I have to scramble to get a higher vantage point (

Short (or not), camera got a waist-finder? Then use the genuine monkey-arms technique. The original AND the best for such situations:

Look UP, not DOWN. Hold the camera up-side-down, above your head, looking up into the VF. A trick my father taught me, and one that only a waist-finder can do. Well at least no SLR or RF can do... Have fun! Skj.


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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2009, 09:06:54 AM »
... Hold the camera up-side-down, above your head, looking up into the VF. A trick my father taught me, and one that only a waist-finder can do. Well at least no SLR or RF can do... Have fun! Skj.

Skj - we NEED a photo of you demonstrating this intriguing technique. :)
L.

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2009, 11:23:58 AM »
... Hold the camera up-side-down, above your head, looking up into the VF. A trick my father taught me, and one that only a waist-finder can do. Well at least no SLR or RF can do... Have fun! Skj.

Skj - we NEED a photo of you demonstrating this intriguing technique. :)

Seconded!! Preferably a video.

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2009, 11:34:02 AM »
Skj - we NEED a photo of you demonstrating this intriguing technique. :)

Sure!



Makes any shorty taller, and taller even taller. Great for over crowd shots (nightclubs was the original application), over fences, etc. Also known as the periscope.



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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2009, 11:54:51 AM »
thanks for that Skj ... and I must say, you get younger every time I see picture of you.
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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2009, 11:57:14 AM »
... and I must say, you get younger every time I see picture of you.

Gah! You beat my to the witty one liner.

Skj, thanks for the demo. Makes perfect sense now that I've seen it. Good to see T is still tolerating Dad's hobby obsession!!

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2009, 07:17:11 PM »
Short (or not), camera got a waist-finder? Then use the genuine monkey-arms technique. The original AND the best for such situations:

Look UP, not DOWN. Hold the camera up-side-down, above your head, looking up into the VF. A trick my father taught me, and one that only a waist-finder can do. Well at least no SLR or RF can do... Have fun! Skj.




Genius! Why didn't I think of that!

I'm running out to buy some bananas right now.

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2009, 07:26:52 PM »
I don't use it nearly enough at the moment, but sometimes I'll just get it out, lie back and and fire, wind-on, fire, wind-on.
 for the sheer pleasure of using the mechanism. :P sad huh?


LOL. If it's sad, then I guess it's sad that I know just what you mean (except for the 'lie back' part).

I also just love that gorgeous kerthunk sound it makes when you fire it. And actually, if you are going to go any length of time without using it, it is good to fire & wind it, to keep it in good working order.

But the 'lie back' part makes it sound a bit kinky. I've never heard of a Hasselblad fetish, but my guess is there is probably a Hasselblad fetish chat room somewhere. And I suppose if you are going to have an intimate relationship with an inanimate object, a Hasselblad would be better than an inflatable doll, as you could definately take your Hassy out to more places without the stares and judgement of the public. ::)

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2009, 02:23:01 AM »

But the 'lie back' part makes it sound a bit kinky. I've never heard of a Hasselblad fetish, but my guess is there is probably a Hasselblad fetish chat room somewhere. And I suppose if you are going to have an intimate relationship with an inanimate object, a Hasselblad would be better than an inflatable doll, as you could definately take your Hassy out to more places without the stares and judgement of the public. ::)

Did I mention that my eyes are closed at the time, to better concentrate on the ker-thunk? No, probably as well I didn't.  ;)

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2009, 05:58:04 PM »
I have a 500CM and an SWC the SWC I adore and have used almost exclusively since I bought it - no interchangeable lends but  a beautiful sharp 38mm lens that has no distortion right to the edges. I keep getting the other cameras out but frankly it's gonna take something spectacular to wean me off of this! Bessa did make an angle finder which greatly helps with the framing , but, as far as I am aware it is now out of production.

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2009, 07:30:32 PM »
Ay-yi-yi...That SWC!!! I've coveted one for years. Last year, I had the chance to buy one, in perfect, like-new condition, from someone I know, but I just could not get the money together.

I don't think an opportunity that that will come this way again. Sigh.

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2009, 07:34:41 PM »
They are still out there and I have to say a dream to use. Small and light and I am always stunned by the results. The damn thing really does prevent me using other cameras for the large part.

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2009, 10:33:19 PM »
I now have gear envy...
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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2009, 03:48:06 AM »
Thanks for the info, lower cost body to secure better lenses sounds like the right approach.  The SWC is cool but seems a bit limited?  Looks like either ground glass viewing or frame and remove viewer... 
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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2009, 07:56:21 AM »
I guess the SWC's limitations would be based on what you are trying to achieve. Sure it has limitations and perhaps a few more than other Hasselblads. Yes you can use a ground glass with viewfinder on the back - something I have but have never really had any need to use. It does make for more accurate focussing although keeping things sharp has not generally been an issue, what with it being so wide. As for the finder, there is no need to remove it. The Hasselblad one is a little fiddly to use in that you have to make adjustments to your framing - I wanted something that showed me exactly what I was shooting - luckily Bessa used to make an angle finder with framing lines which shows exactly what you get. I have found this perfect and it really has made the use of the camera far more pleasurable.

But, if lots of flexibility is what you want in the way of additional lenses then the SWC is probably not the camera for you.

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2009, 02:37:43 AM »
Like that SWC set up, I should rent one and see what I think, I have looked at them, also would like to use the verson with bellows/shift control.

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2009, 06:32:09 AM »
Do you mean the FlexBody and ArcBody? I do have to confess to having a FlexBody that I bought about 6 months ago but have only played with once or twice so can't offer any meaningful review of it. Must apply myself to it and get playing more.

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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2009, 08:27:42 AM »
Do you mean the FlexBody and ArcBody? I do have to confess to having a FlexBody that I bought about 6 months ago but have only played with once or twice so can't offer any meaningful review of it. Must apply myself to it and get playing more.

WHAT? :o is there something wrong with your headtank? ::)

If it's gathering dust, why not send it over to me ..... I'm sure I could find something to use it for.  A door stop or maybe a fireplace oxydenator?    ;D ;) ;D
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2009, 09:15:22 AM »
I know, Leon, I know! I have had a little play with it - shot a few Polaroids and haven't touched it since - must be 6 months at least. I was hoping by outing my wasteful ways here I might get motivated and use the damn thing!

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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2009, 08:15:19 AM »
I would second the 503CW.  I don't understand why some folks say the Hasselblad bodies are ergonomic, or those who say TLRs are, they must have huge or alien hands :-).   So I like the 503CW because of the winder too, which is of course not just a grip. 

For a regular 500, one can still buy a separate grip, for the left hand, just like those for the Rollei TLRs. 

The 503CW is also beautiful for telephotos, no vignetting.

A 203FE would be great if your budget allows.

From there, you can start building a wonderful Hassy system ...

http://www.photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/index-frameset.html?Hasselblad500el.html~mainFrame

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Re: Hasselblad recommodation
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2009, 12:38:47 PM »
They are still out there and I have to say a dream to use. Small and light and I am always stunned by the results. The damn thing really does prevent me using other cameras for the large part.


Yes, but the one I missed out on was in absolutely PRISTINE, brand new condition, like it just came out of the box. Owned by a man who worked for Hasselblad. I hated to let that opportunity pass, but just couldn't get the money together. Sigh. (If only I didn't have to eat).

As for the Flex Body; I tried using one of those, all excited, thinking it would be like having a miniature large format camera. But it wasn't really. I found it difficult to use, and I found out I couldn't actually use it for what I wanted too use it for.
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