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Which Board? => Main Forum => : hookstrapped May 03, 2019, 01:29:23 AM
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My goodness...
(https://vintagecameralab.com/wp-content/uploads/kiev-10_02.jpg)
https://vintagecameralab.com/kiev-10-automat/ (https://vintagecameralab.com/kiev-10-automat/)
http://cjo.info/classic-cameras/kiev-automat-series/ (http://cjo.info/classic-cameras/kiev-automat-series/)
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Do I sense a BIN coming up? ;D
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Do I sense a BIN coming up? ;D
Nooo... just admiring from afar. Somehow that epitomizes what I would expect from 60s Soviet design.
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Nice, isn't it? Here's the story and the different models: http://sovietcams.com/index.php?-422849754 (http://sovietcams.com/index.php?-422849754)
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One of the first thoughts that I had was that if I had to choose a camera that's in stark contrast to the elegance and finesse of an Olympus OM-1, I'd choose this. :)
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That’s a great example of Soviet architecture. I understand it’s as big as a house.
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I must admit that it looks really good.
Manufacturers should really look more at things that before designing new cameras.
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But the Zorki 10 is prettier! :P
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That Zorki 10 is lovely, but the Kiev 10 looks like a futuristic prop from an old Soviet science fiction movie.
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Some years ago Taschen launched a book by Frédéric Chaubin called CCCP - Cosmic Communist Construction Photographed. It's a fantastic documentation of the futuristic architecture in the Soviet Union. Still available, it will blow your mind!
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I know, I've seen it and some of the stuff they were building, even if it was just a bus stop, was simply out of this world.
Too bad most of it is now into a severe state of disrepair as it was definitely more avant-garde than some of the construction we see now.
A bit like a symphony house. While the inside has great acoustics, the building itself has just about as much charm as a heat pump...
Like I once read, architecture in Quebec is a lukewarm meat pie...
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But the Zorki 10 is prettier! :P
I agree, it looks more sophisticated. :)
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FWIW, it's been said that the Zorki 10 is a copy of the design of this Ricoh
http://mattsclassiccameras.com/rangefinders-compacts/ricohmatic-35/ (http://mattsclassiccameras.com/rangefinders-compacts/ricohmatic-35/)
I don't think anyone could accuse the designers of the Kiev 10 of copying anyone...
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Do I sense a BIN coming up? ;D
Nailed it ;)
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:-[
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Well....don't know any other way to say it but...
That camera is butt-ugly. Just my personal sense of esthetics mind you, (I also feel the same about the Zeiss Contarex and especially the 'bull's eye' model).
This from the guy who thinks the 1965 VW bug has just about the perfect styling, go figure.
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For me, anything that could have been featured in 2001 a space odyssey is drool worthy.
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Not just a pretty face...
The Kiev 10's unique fan shutter
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Shutters like that could reach some surprisingly high speeds...
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Well, Satish was right and I couldn't resist. Got a good deal on a Kiev 10 including a 50mm and the Mir 20 -- sort of a Flektogon copy but a bit different in design. Test shots with the 20mm
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(https://imageproxy.viewbook.com/4672/75b5b0b39fc3fbf23679bc706aee722b_hd.jpg?fit=max&h=1280&w=700)
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Very nice shots, nothing wrong with that camera. What is it like to operate?
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Very nice shots, nothing wrong with that camera. What is it like to operate?
It's rather massive. Very heavy. Maybe a bit unwieldy as a weapon.
As a camera... the front-mounted shutter button has a long throw with a good bit of resistance, but that said it's a very smooth shooter. The first pic above was shot at 1/2 sec (I think closer to 1 sec in reality) handheld and I noticed very little mirror slap or vibration. The fan shutter operates almost like a leaf shutter and is likewise relatively vibration-free.
The selenium cell seems to be alive but not accurately so (it actually is oversensitive to light based on the readings it gives) and its automatic coupling to the lens aperture doesn't work, so I use it as a manual camera. Shutter speeds are 1/2 to 1/1000 sec plus bulb, and in my example seem pretty accurate.
The aperture control works through a dial on the front of the body -- well it works on the 50mm that came with it and the 85mm Jupiter I got separately, but not on the 20mm Mir. The aperture control tab on the lens moves freely but something seems to be impeding the rotational movement of the mechanism inside the mount that rotates the tab. So all those shots above were shot wide open. But I'd like to be able to shoot, say f8, so have been working on trying to fix it. I've eliminated a number of things it could be but it remains a mystery. I've taken a file and hammer to it (the hammer was on a bent bayonet retaining spring so that doesn't count). Next tool I'm gonna try is a sickle.
However, through my efforts (or not), I could get the aperture to move from closed down when it was re-mounted to wide open using the dial -- it just wouldn't operate properly like the other lenses where it stops down with a press of the shutter. Once I turn the dial to a setting, it stays there. So I figured, Good, just need to guesstimate the f-stop by looking at the aperture and leave it there. It's unaffected by firing the shutter.
But then I noticed the aperture would open and close a bit sort of randomly and then I finally realized that I was accidentally turning the front lens element when I was un-mounting and re-mounting the lens, and that turning the front lens element (it seems to not really tighten) I could open and close the aperture -- without having to re-mount the lens!
So, yeah, it works great!
It's funny. There is interest in these lenses, especially the 20mm Mir and 85mm Jupiter, because they are relatively cheap since they have this weird mount, often a good deal cheaper than the m42 versions. So people want to know how to adapt them to digital cameras, but the main problem is there is no way to adjust the aperture because it lacks an aperture ring. But the front lens element is the aperture ring! (Not sure if this is universal.)
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The selenium meters tend to loose sensitivity as they age. The increased sensitivity you see could be two fold. They could have a circuit that inverts the reading to get the proper reading or it was simply badly calibrated from the factory.
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I thought it was kind of charming...reminds me of a Fujipet...
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Yeah, the front of the lens does look like this a bit.
Too bad nobody has ever made a new version of the Fujipet. Or of the AMI 66...
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I remember the Fujipet craze over on the toy camera forum! Never had the pleasure myself
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Me neither...
But after some time, I was starting to wonder if it wasn't just an overrated fad.
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Me neither...
But after some time, I was starting to wonder if it wasn't just an overrated fad.
It was a bit like Tulip Mania.
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And at the same prices.
I wonder how many of those who bought one at the time still use theirs?
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I picked up another one for $30, free shipping from the Ukraine. I needed to cannibalize a new pressure plate and rewind knob from it. The new $30 one was much prettier than my first one but the shutter wasn't working right. Anyway, the film advance skipping and bleeding fingers upon rewinding problems seem to have been remedied.
(Grand Central is such a hard to resist subject with the Mir 20mm)
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(https://imageproxy.viewbook.com/4672/87670ba62f35564e14bbca2040663dcb_hd.jpg?fit=max&h=1280&w=700)
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(Grand Central is such a hard to resist subject with the Mir 20mm)
Still trying to figure out which of the figures is Satish. It's NYC, he must be on one of these pictures somewhere. ;)
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(Grand Central is such a hard to resist subject with the Mir 20mm)
Still trying to figure out which of the figures is Satish. It's NYC, he must be on one of these pictures somewhere. ;)
;D
Motion blur bald guy in the last picture is the best candidate ;D
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Some recent pre-Coronavirus social distancing inspired shots with the Kiev 10 and Mir 20mm
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(https://imageproxy.viewbook.com/4672/6965b574cb177d833cdafb52da5f7888_hd.jpg?fit=max&h=1280&w=650)
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