Author Topic: Red Feb (Read 8947 times)

jharr · « **on:** January 13, 2015, 04:57:20 PM »

I realize that this is probably a Lomo advertising gimmick, but still for those of us who enjoy an occasional redscale, it's a fun idea. I will be shooting home-made redscale for the month of February. Anyone else in?

02Pilot · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2015, 05:20:22 PM »

Could be fun, gimmick or not. I shot a roll of homemade redscale Superia 200 this past summer and was pleasantly surprised with the results (I blasted it by shooting at ISO 12 or so), and I've got a bunch more in the fridge.

Bryan · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2015, 05:37:37 PM »

Whats the rule of thumb, over expose by 2 stops? Does this work with slide film or just negative film?

jharr · « **Reply #3 on:** January 13, 2015, 06:02:06 PM »

I have done it with slide film and x-pro'd in C-41 and it worked fine. I think the 'rule' is +2 stops, but that's for fresh film. I don't think I own any of that, so I go +3 over actual (which could be +2 over box speed) at least. That makes for some pretty long exposures, but it suits my style. I think redscale looks best shot on a sunny day. That isn't a problem for me in Feb., but I understand that other parts of the world experience big grey floaty things in the sky that block the sun for sometimes hours or days at a time!!

Indofunk · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2015, 06:45:53 PM »

So weird. Just yesterday I redscaled one of the millions of rolls of expired Savon I have. Shot it +1EV because I didn't know this "rule". Definitely wasn't enough, the negs are light as a feather. So now I'll try +2 or +3EV.

Indofunk · « **Reply #5 on:** January 13, 2015, 06:59:41 PM »

Quote from: Indofunk on January 13, 2015, 06:45:53 PM

Just yesterday I redscaled one of the millions of rolls of expired Savon I have.

So I might as well post the first photo response to this thread, right?

Pushed 3 stops in Lightroom, and blacks and brightness and contrast also significantly boosted. I shall try again today and add a couple more stops at the shooting end of things

Bryan · « **Reply #6 on:** January 13, 2015, 07:02:04 PM »

Quote from: jharr on January 13, 2015, 06:02:06 PM

That isn't a problem for me in Feb., but I understand that other parts of the world experience big grey floaty things in the sky that block the sun for sometimes hours or days at a time!!

Or months.

Wow, that's some red Indofunk.

Ezzie · « **Reply #7 on:** January 13, 2015, 07:17:40 PM »

Under expose for very red redscale, more exposure gives a more natural colour palette. I am partial to the latter, so two or more stops is what I would use.

February is admittedly not a good month for slow film, not because of grey wool in the sky, blocking out the sun, but because the sun hardly bothers to rise up over the horizon at all. Midday and my shadow is 50ft long.

02Pilot · « **Reply #8 on:** January 13, 2015, 07:34:53 PM »

Exposure also depends on what film you're using. Apologies for posting a Lomo link, but it may actually prove useful: http://www.lomography.com/magazine/tipster/2012/03/05/redscale-technique-the-principle-of-light-penetrability

What I liked about using redscale and overexposing a lot was not just the shifted palette, but the ability to shoot wide open with a fast lens in bright sunshine. The last roll I did was in my Olympus 35SP, and I shot the whole thing at f/1.7. Two examples that I happen to have available online right now:

Adam Doe · « **Reply #9 on:** January 13, 2015, 07:41:15 PM »

Quote from: jharr on January 13, 2015, 06:02:06 PM

I have done it with slide film and x-pro'd in C-41 and it worked fine. ...

Oh yeah?. Sounds interesting. Any examples? I've got a bunch of slide film gathering dust.

jharr · « **Reply #10 on:** January 13, 2015, 07:49:26 PM »

Quote from: Adam Doe on January 13, 2015, 07:41:15 PM

Quote from: jharr on January 13, 2015, 06:02:06 PM
I have done it with slide film and x-pro'd in C-41 and it worked fine. ...

Oh yeah?. Sounds interesting. Any examples? I've got a bunch of slide film gathering dust.

expired Ektachrome 64D @ 16. This was a pretty thin neg. Next time, I will use iso 8 or 4.

Abandoned 1 by James Harr's Photos, on Flickr

Adam Doe · « **Reply #11 on:** January 13, 2015, 08:43:20 PM »

Thanks for the example James. Cool shot.

02Pilot · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2015, 08:57:24 PM »

OK, I've gone and loaded a roll of redscaled Superia 200 into my Cero Super Dollina II (if we're going to get weird, let's get weird...). I'll be shooting it at ISO 12. Stay tuned.

Indofunk · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2015, 09:29:33 PM »

Just finished a roll of Superia 400 that I shot at 50, and at the same time that I rerolled the 400, I redscaled a roll of Superia 200 as well. Shall I put it into my Graflex Ciro? (sadly, that's the weirdest camera I own

) I don't particularly like the idea of shooting at ISO 12 on a 3.5 lens, even on a bright day, so maybe I'll just set it at 3.5 and bulb it and hope for an insanely bright day tomorrow and no camera shake...

Indofunk · « **Reply #14 on:** January 13, 2015, 09:35:13 PM »

Wait, it's not even February yet. Are we allowed to redscale in January? What does Bill Murray have to say about that?

Francois · « **Reply #15 on:** January 13, 2015, 09:48:43 PM »

I'm starting to wonder about red snow...

Indofunk · « **Reply #16 on:** January 13, 2015, 09:54:52 PM »

Just don't eat the red snow.

jharr · « **Reply #17 on:** January 13, 2015, 10:05:00 PM »

Quote from: Indofunk on January 13, 2015, 09:35:13 PM

Wait, it's not even February yet. Are we allowed to redscale in January? What does Bill Murray have to say about that?

Probably something like "Gunga galunga".

Francois · « **Reply #18 on:** January 13, 2015, 10:44:07 PM »

Quote from: Indofunk on January 13, 2015, 09:54:52 PM

Just don't eat the red snow.

Nope... that can't possibly be a good thing...

Indofunk · « **Reply #19 on:** January 14, 2015, 12:51:27 AM »

Quote from: Ezzie on January 13, 2015, 07:17:40 PM

February is admittedly not a good month for slow film, not because of grey wool in the sky, blocking out the sun, but because the sun hardly bothers to rise up over the horizon at all. Midday and my shadow is 50ft long.

This is a good point. Slow film is much better utilised in the summer. Although, if I were on Lomo's marketing team, I would've pushed for "Red October", just for the movie reference....

jharr · « **Reply #20 on:** January 14, 2015, 01:45:09 AM »

Well since the soon is rising so late, most people should be awake and ready to shoot, so they could also do a "Red Dawn" theme.

02Pilot · « **Reply #21 on:** January 14, 2015, 03:10:12 AM »

I'm just going to shoot wide open - f/2.8 on the Super Dollina - and as slow as I can hold semi-steady. Might do some longer exposures with a tripod and cable release if I feel so inclined. Redscale and precision exposure are sort of mutually exclusive.

Francois · « **Reply #22 on:** January 14, 2015, 02:34:29 PM »

Quote from: Indofunk on January 01, 1970, 04:56:51 AM

This is a good point. Slow film is much better utilised in the summer. Although, if I were on Lomo's marketing team, I would've pushed for "Red October", just for the movie reference....

Thing is that theCamerast... Red October is already taken by Communist Camera month.

Indofunk · « **Reply #23 on:** January 14, 2015, 03:36:53 PM »

Redscaled film shot on communist cameras for the double entendre (that's not a flower foul, is it?)

02Pilot · « **Reply #24 on:** January 14, 2015, 03:54:24 PM »

As a matter of principle, I think that from now on I will only shoot redscaled film in cameras produced in Communist states: the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the German Democratic Republic, the People's Republic of Massachusetts, etc.

Kayos · « **Reply #25 on:** January 14, 2015, 04:01:27 PM »

I've just received a Zenit ttl, never had much luck with red scale but maybe I will with this one?

jharr · « **Reply #26 on:** January 14, 2015, 04:10:53 PM »

Quote from: 02Pilot on January 14, 2015, 03:54:24 PM

As a matter of principle, I think that from now on I will only shoot redscaled film in cameras produced in Communist states: the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the German Democratic Republic, the People's Republic of Massachusetts, etc.

What a great idea. I too pledge to only shoot Яed film in Яed cameras. Fortunately, I just benefited from the generosity of another Film Waster and received a Zorki-4 with two nice Jupiter lenses.

Ezzie · « **Reply #27 on:** January 14, 2015, 06:47:28 PM »

Quote from: 02Pilot on January 14, 2015, 03:54:24 PM

As a matter of principle, I think that from now on I will only shoot redscaled film in cameras produced in Communist states: the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the German Democratic Republic, the People's Republic of Massachusetts, etc.

You forgot Czechoslovakia (Meopta Flexaret for instance). And of course, if my father's sympathies are anything to go by, UK in the sixties and seventies. But then again camera production had all but ceased by then.

Indofunk · « **Reply #28 on:** January 14, 2015, 06:48:28 PM »

Quote from: jharr on January 14, 2015, 04:10:53 PM

Quote from: 02Pilot on January 14, 2015, 03:54:24 PM
As a matter of principle, I think that from now on I will only shoot redscaled film in cameras produced in Communist states: the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the German Democratic Republic, the People's Republic of Massachusetts, etc.

What a great idea. I too pledge to only shoot Яed film in Яed cameras. Fortunately, I just benefited from the generosity of another Film Waster and received a Zorki-4 with two nice Jupiter lenses.

Better Яed than a Fed in the head?

Hungry Mike · « **Reply #29 on:** January 14, 2015, 07:20:10 PM »

I like Redscale but usually Redscale season is July for me. February is pretty dreary here for low ISOs... Maybe if I go to Winnipeg in February (one of the sunniest cities in Canada and currently a balmy -9C today) I'll shoot a roll.

Adam Doe · « **Reply #30 on:** January 14, 2015, 08:31:15 PM »

Quote from: jharr on January 14, 2015, 04:10:53 PM

Quote from: 02Pilot on January 14, 2015, 03:54:24 PM
As a matter of principle, I think that from now on I will only shoot redscaled film in cameras produced in Communist states: the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the German Democratic Republic, the People's Republic of Massachusetts, etc.

What a great idea. I too pledge to only shoot Яed film in Яed cameras. Fortunately, I just benefited from the generosity of another Film Waster and received a Zorki-4 with two nice Jupiter lenses.

Count me in as a member of the Redscale Army, I'll Redscale some film in an Exa and a Kiev 88.

02Pilot · « **Reply #31 on:** January 14, 2015, 10:16:14 PM »

Quote from: Ezzie on January 14, 2015, 06:47:28 PM

Quote from: 02Pilot on January 14, 2015, 03:54:24 PM
As a matter of principle, I think that from now on I will only shoot redscaled film in cameras produced in Communist states: the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the German Democratic Republic, the People's Republic of Massachusetts, etc.

You forgot Czechoslovakia (Meopta Flexaret for instance). And of course, if my father's sympathies are anything to go by, UK in the sixties and seventies. But then again camera production had all but ceased by then.

You are correct, of course; mine was not intended to be a comprehensive list. In any thorough accounting, I'm sure the Midlands in the 1960s and 70s would be right up there with Cold War Albania and present-day Berkeley (not that any of these were noted for camera production, mostly specializing in fiery revolutionary rhetoric and self-righteous indignation).

limr · « **Reply #32 on:** January 14, 2015, 10:47:59 PM »

Quote from: 02Pilot on January 14, 2015, 03:54:24 PM

As a matter of principle, I think that from now on I will only shoot redscaled film in cameras produced in Communist states: the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the German Democratic Republic, the People's Republic of Massachusetts, etc.

While I take issue with the inclusion of Massachusetts, sir

I may have to follow suit and shoot some redscale in my Zorki.

irv_b · « **Reply #33 on:** January 15, 2015, 08:14:46 PM »

I shot a roll of expired Agfa vista 100 at asa 25 last spring on a sunny day but ran out of Ilfotol, so the hard water spots spoiled the roll so I never posted them.

jharr · « **Reply #34 on:** January 15, 2015, 11:25:03 PM »

Quote from: irv_b on January 15, 2015, 08:14:46 PM

I shot a roll of expired Agfa vista 100 at asa 25 last spring on a sunny day but ran out of Ilfotol, so the hard water spots spoiled the roll so I never posted them.

Me Likey!

irv_b · « **Reply #35 on:** January 16, 2015, 08:21:00 PM »

Quote from: jharr on January 15, 2015, 11:25:03 PM

Quote from: irv_b on January 15, 2015, 08:14:46 PM
I shot a roll of expired Agfa vista 100 at asa 25 last spring on a sunny day but ran out of Ilfotol, so the hard water spots spoiled the roll so I never posted them.

Me Likey!

Why thank you good sir!

Francois · « **Reply #36 on:** January 16, 2015, 09:25:44 PM »

Quote from: irv_b on January 16, 2015, 08:21:00 PM

Quote from: jharr on January 15, 2015, 11:25:03 PM
Quote from: irv_b on January 15, 2015, 08:14:46 PM
I shot a roll of expired Agfa vista 100 at asa 25 last spring on a sunny day but ran out of Ilfotol, so the hard water spots spoiled the roll so I never posted them.

Me Likey!

Why thank you good sir!

I wonder if letting the negs soak in white vinegar for 20 minutes and then re-rinsing would get rid of the spots?
I do that to get rid of the calcium deposits in my humidifier and it works better than scraping the thing clean.

Indofunk · « **Reply #37 on:** February 11, 2015, 07:27:23 PM »

Here's my first contribution to Red Feb.

http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=7710