Filmwasters
Which Board? => Main Forum => Topic started by: Bryan on April 27, 2020, 01:28:13 AM
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I was going thru some stuff this weekend and found some rolls of film that I got with a bunch of stuff at an estate sale several years ago. I never got around to scanning any of them until now. I still have a few rolls that I will scan when I have time. These were shot on Kodak Plus-X film with a date code indicating it was manufactured in 1962. I think these may have been shot on or around Fort Lewis, an army base South of Seattle.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49823661686_d3af4c024f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUKhML)Found film 1962 Kodak Plus-X - 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2iUKhML) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49823130733_3dd355d3d2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUGyXp)Found film 1962 Kodak Plus-X - 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2iUGyXp) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49823130913_a9f1f43dcd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUGz1v)Found film 1962 Kodak Plus-X - 3 (https://flic.kr/p/2iUGz1v) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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A few more.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49823662116_9c6a0b7804_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUKhVb)Found film 1962 Kodak Plus-X - 4 (https://flic.kr/p/2iUKhVb) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49823982607_de279f7dfd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iULWbT)Found film 1962 Kodak Plus-X - 5 (https://flic.kr/p/2iULWbT) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Scanned another roll of 35mm film I found at an estate sale. The film is Kodak Plus-XX with a date code of 1948.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49845996158_2854d29a0e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWHL3S)Christmas Portrait (https://flic.kr/p/2iWHL3S) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49845996403_832e0540fb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWHL86)Grandfather Santa (https://flic.kr/p/2iWHL86) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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These next 5 were shot on Oahu, Hawaii no later than the early 1950's. I know that because they were shot on DuPont 5948 Nitrate film, Nitrate film wasn't made past the early 1950's. These first two are fishermen tending to their tuna boat in Honolulu.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49847247147_078cff5200_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWQaVD)Tuna Boat (https://flic.kr/p/2iWQaVD) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49846944486_160c95c2db_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWNBXm)Hosing Down Tuna Boat (https://flic.kr/p/2iWNBXm) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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These next three, from the same roll as above, were all shot around the Lanikai marker in Kailua. The monument is still there but it no longer has the chains on it. The house in this first photo is still there, still looks the same.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49846944601_f99349d547_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWNBZk)Lanikai Monument with House (https://flic.kr/p/2iWNBZk) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49846944876_482eb52876_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWNC55)Lanikai Monument (https://flic.kr/p/2iWNC55) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49847247442_022a849861_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWQb1J)Moku Nui & Moku Iki from Lanikai (https://flic.kr/p/2iWQb1J) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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So cool! And great that you can identify where and when they were taken!
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Which makes me think that I have a box of slides that I should scan.
I know some of them are from the Tokyo World Expo...
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Very cool
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So cool! And great that you can identify where and when they were taken!
Figuring out the date and time takes a little detective work (Google), but that’s half the fun of it. If it’s Kodak film this comes in handy for figuring out the manufacture date.
https://www.kodak.com/uploadedfiles/motion/Guide_to_Identifying_Year_of_Manufacture.pdf] [url]https://www.kodak.com/uploadedfiles/motion/Guide_to_Identifying_Year_of_Manufacture.pdf (http://[url)[/url]
In that family portrait above with the child there’s a radio on the left. I have a small collection of old radios that I restored, one of them is a Hallicrafters shortwave radio. At first I thought that was a different Hallicrafters model but after a lot of searching I discovered it’s an RME 69. It was made in 1936 so it didn’t help much dating the photo but I learned something interesting about that model. The Dutch Underground used it for the resistance throughout the war.
https://people.ohio.edu/postr/bapix/RME69.html] [url]https://people.ohio.edu/postr/bapix/RME69.html (http://[url)[/url]
The toy truck in the grandfathers lap helped a little but I couldn’t narrow down exactly when it was made. I think a lot of people that assign dates or decades of manufacture to it are just guessing. I saw anywhere between 1930’s and 1950’s.
The Hawaii photos were easy to locate, I searched the name on the monument. It turns out I was about two blocks from it a few months ago. Dating them was tough, not much information on DuPont film. A car in one of the photos I didn’t post puts it to the late 1940’s or early 1950’s but it’s hard to make out exactly what car it is. The monument was built in 1924.
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I have more rolls to go through, here's the latest. These two took a bit of detective work but I was able to identify the mountain in the background, it's Mt. Moffett on Adak Island in Alaska. That would make this Naval Air Facility Adak. I think that's where the Navy sent you when you screwed up really bad. Someone once told me that they would tell the young men that were heading to Adak that there's a pretty woman behind every tree. Of course you get there and there's no trees. The film is Kodak Plus-X with a date code of 1962. This was a small section of film with 2.5 frames that was separated from a roll for some reason. It's interesting to see how their living quarters looked on the interior. These Quonset huts are all over the place in Alaska. I have seen them were someone transformed them into residential homes.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49851127222_e32e42e3a2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXb4ku)Mt. Moffett (https://flic.kr/p/2iXb4ku) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49851127482_a848089b4f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXb4pY)Quonset Hut Interior (https://flic.kr/p/2iXb4pY) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
http://www.alsap.org/Adak/Adak.htm (http://www.alsap.org/Adak/Adak.htm)
https://stationhypo.com/2018/01/05/nsga-adak-alaska-decommissioned-january-31-1996/ (https://stationhypo.com/2018/01/05/nsga-adak-alaska-decommissioned-january-31-1996/)
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These were from a separate roll than the two above but they look like they were taken at the same base on Adak. The film was again Plus-X but dated 1963. You would think the Time magazine would help date the photo but it's a 1944 issue. It was about 20 years old when the soldier was reading it. If you look at the Kodak date codes they repeat every 20 years. The date code for this film is for 1923, 1943 and 1963. Since Plus-X wasn't produced until 1954 this would have to be the later.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49850958222_a58aa77494_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXac6G)Reading Time August 7 1944 (https://flic.kr/p/2iXac6G) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49850121153_1c707b9cfc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iX5Ugt)Posing in Fox Hole (https://flic.kr/p/2iX5Ugt) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49850958977_3df0dbba83_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXacjH)Lounging in the Quonset Hut (https://flic.kr/p/2iXacjH) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Same roll as above.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49850656961_3c4e775583_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iX8Dxx)Three Soldiers (https://flic.kr/p/2iX8Dxx) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49850958507_5073c0dc0d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXacbB)Two Soldiers (https://flic.kr/p/2iXacbB) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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That looks like Radar O'Reilly!
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Getting cooler and cooler!!
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Not sure if this is off the short roll I posted above but it's the same Quonset Hut after the snow thawed.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49851518787_343c90d5bd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXd4JB)Mt. Moffett and Quonset Hut (https://flic.kr/p/2iXd4JB) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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That looks like Radar O'Reilly!
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These next 5 came off another roll of Kodak Plus-X film. The date code on the film indicates it was manufactured in 1972. Since the date codes repeated every 20 years a date of 1952 is out of the question because that was before they made Plus-X. A few of the pictures are a Douglas C54 (DC-4) Military Air Transport Service (MATS) plane. Those were taken out of service in 1975. One picture (not included) showed a sign for Halemaʻumaʻu Trail, that's on the big island of Hawaii in Volcanoes National Park. There developing job on this roll of film was horrible, some of the film was loaded wrong on the spool so it didn't get developed, must have been against another part of the film. There were chemical splatters all over the film, not just water stains.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49855647903_4a0e0079b9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXzebg)Hiking to Halemaʻumaʻu Crater (https://flic.kr/p/2iXzebg) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
That's a Kodak Pony 135 camera. I would not go hiking in those shoes.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49856187496_9490dbf396_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXBZzA)Hiking with Kodak Pony 135 camera (https://flic.kr/p/2iXBZzA) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49855647683_379a46c11f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXze7t)Hawaiian Swimming Hole. (https://flic.kr/p/2iXze7t) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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This is the Douglas C-54 (DC-4) Military Air Transport Service (MATS) plane from the same roll. The C-54 was the military version of the DC-4, many were converted to DC-4 by Douglas after they were taken out of military service.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49856187691_322b0e5d1c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXBZCX)Douglas C-54 (https://flic.kr/p/2iXBZCX) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49855648283_ba90fbf2e0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXzehP)Douglas C-54 Engine (https://flic.kr/p/2iXzehP) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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That lagoon looks like something from Gilligan's Island! ;D
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That lagoon looks like something from Gilligan's Island! ;D
Fun fact: The lagoon from Gilligan's Island was on a studio lot that backed up to the freeway. They often had to pause shooting when the traffic was too loud.
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That lagoon looks like something from Gilligan's Island! ;D
Fun fact: The lagoon from Gilligan's Island was on a studio lot that backed up to the freeway. They often had to pause shooting when the traffic was too loud.
Don't you spoil my childhood memories!! >:(
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I think I just discovered a mistake I made in dating the Plus-X film. I was going by a Wikipedia list of discontinued films that has Plus-X Pan listed but not Plus-X, I thought they were one in the same. The original Plus-X came out in 1938. I discovered this when I was looking closer at the interior shot of the Quonset hut. There’s a box of Hi Ho crackers on the table. The box design changed around 1950, the box in the photo is from the 1940’s. I think this pushes my estimated date on the Plus-X shots back 20 years since the date codes repeat every 20 years. That makes sense with the Time magazine dated 1944.
The Douglas C-54 came into service in 1942 so that could push the latest Hawaii pictures to 1952. The Kodak Pony 135 came out in 1950.
According to this article Plus-X was first introduced as a motion picture film in 1938, other formats shortly after that.
[url]http://photo-analogue.blogspot.com/2016/12/kodak-plus-x.html]http://photo-analogue.blogspot.com/2016/12/kodak-plus-x.html] [url]http://photo-analogue.blogspot.com/2016/12/kodak-plus-x.html (http://[url=http://photo-analogue.blogspot.com/2016/12/kodak-plus-x.html)[/url]
For the Adak pictures, that was Adak Army Airfield at that time. It wasn’t turned over to the Navy until 1950.
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The C-54 is marked for MATS, which puts it between 1948-66, after which the command was renamed Military Airlift Command (MAC).
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The C-54 is marked for MATS, which puts it between 1948-66, after which the command was renamed Military Airlift Command (MAC).
thanks for that, I was wondering why some things seemed a bit our of date. There must be a better list of film types by date than that incomplete list on Wikipedia. There's very little information on Du Pont Nitrate film.
The base on Adak was only a few years old in 1944, if it was the 1960's it would have looked more established. It was built in haste in 1942 to drive the Japanese out of the Aleutian islands, the only invasion of US soil during WWII.
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Looking at the Time Magazine, I doubt that the military would have out of date magazines.
Besides, the magazine looks like it's in great shape. I don't think a 20 year old magazine that would have been read by dozens of people would still be in such a condition. Just look at the ones at the dentist office for reference.
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Looking at the Time Magazine, I doubt that the military would have out of date magazines.
Besides, the magazine looks like it's in great shape. I don't think a 20 year old magazine that would have been read by dozens of people would still be in such a condition. Just look at the ones at the dentist office for reference.
I agree, that was bugging me. I think it's pretty cool that these are WWII era photos.
I did find some information on the Du Pont Nitrate film. Based on the linked document below it's 127 Superior-3 Panchromatic film that came out in 1940. That's based on the number 3 just before the footage number in the edge markings. The typeface of the edge markings date it from the late 1930's to mid 1950's but in the US nitrate film was not manufactured after 1950. It was still produced for a few more years in Europe. It's in the date range that I thought so I may be correct on this one. I don't think the 127 has anything to do with Kodak 127 film, the one they have listed before it is 126 and it came out in 1940, way too early for 126 film.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&ved=2ahUKEwj-17-C_JzpAhUWr54KHUprBEIQFjANegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ferikpiil.files.wordpress.com%2F2014%2F06%2Fdupontedgecode.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1696G-DC6obDVxkK4zVs31 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&ved=2ahUKEwj-17-C_JzpAhUWr54KHUprBEIQFjANegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ferikpiil.files.wordpress.com%2F2014%2F06%2Fdupontedgecode.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1696G-DC6obDVxkK4zVs31)
Some interesting photos of Du Pont film manufacturing.
https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora:2222851?page=44&display=list (https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora:2222851?page=44&display=list)
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Those photos taken at DuPont were really fun. I love the security equipment they used. ;D
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Such a cool find. All I ever seem to come across are awkward-looking family group poses on their summer holidays, sheltering on a wind-blown UK beach.
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Finding cool negatives is a bit like winning a lottery.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, and a few times it's awkward... Like that strip of film Ed found on the edge of a sidewalk while coming out of Tesco years ago ;D
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It's been so long since I got these negatives that I can't remember exactly where they came from. I think they were in the same batch that the photo below was in. I think the negatives were in a bunch of old metal film canisters, the colorful ones that Kodak film came in. Maybe he was a photographer for the army and later became a professional photographer. I scanned the photo below in 2014 then shoved the film into a box and forgot about it for 6 years. I have one more roll from that batch that I need to scan, looks like baby pictures. I may have some other stuff to scan as well.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3929/15265113008_6f780eae82_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pfVGgA)Photography by Elwin D. Scheyer (https://flic.kr/p/pfVGgA) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Elwin D. Scheyer was probably not the photographer in the WWII photos. According to the US Census he was 10 years old in 1940, too young to have been in WWII. He would have only been 15 when the war ended, just barely too young to join.
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These are the last from that batch of film. It's more Plus-X dated 1952. There were a lot of bad shots on this roll plus almost half the roll was blank. Many shots were either out of focus or double exposures. This is Christmas in the early 1950's. I was able to identify a few toys in these photos that date to the same time period.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49867641588_59e36d8544_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iYCGtW)1950's Christmas (https://flic.kr/p/2iYCGtW) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49867641733_b712e05e42_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iYCGwr)First Christmas 1950's (https://flic.kr/p/2iYCGwr) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49868177591_5c7a5a61ea_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iYFrPn)Decorate the Baby (https://flic.kr/p/2iYFrPn) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
Some of the toys I identified. The boxes with names and numbers on them helped.
http://www.thisoldtoy.com/L_FP_Set/toy-pages/400-499/444-puffyengine.html (http://www.thisoldtoy.com/L_FP_Set/toy-pages/400-499/444-puffyengine.html)
http://www.thisoldtoy.com/L_FP_Set/toy-pages/100-199/131-toywagon.html (http://www.thisoldtoy.com/L_FP_Set/toy-pages/100-199/131-toywagon.html)
http://www.thisoldtoy.com/l_fp_set/toy-pages/700-799/799-quackyfamily.html (http://www.thisoldtoy.com/l_fp_set/toy-pages/700-799/799-quackyfamily.html)
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That must have been a pretty rich family with all those gifts under the tree.
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I found a few more rolls. This is from another roll of the same Nitrate film I posted before. It looks like the same trip to Hawaii around 1950. This roll was pretty scratched, I didn't get all the scratches fixed. I went up in the Aloha Tower when I was in Hawaii recently, it's neat to see the same views from 70 years earlier. I also went to the Dole Pineapple Plantation when I was there, it's a total tourist trap now but the Pineapple Ice Cream is delicious.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49934748103_4f77b0dc77_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j5yCUP)Aloha Tower (https://flic.kr/p/2j5yCUP) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49935261051_a1ea915735_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j5BgoK)Ship coming into Honolulu (https://flic.kr/p/2j5BgoK) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49934748323_c62fd7872b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j5yCYB)Honolulu Harbor (https://flic.kr/p/2j5yCYB) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49935562597_c4095ebc52_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j5CP2P)Picking a Pineapple (https://flic.kr/p/2j5CP2P) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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I think the guy with the Pineapple could be Elwin D. Scheyer, sure looks like him and I think this was from the same batch of film.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3929/15265113008_6f780eae82_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pfVGgA)Photography by Elwin D. Scheyer (https://flic.kr/p/pfVGgA) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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This is a roll of Panatomic-X that has a date code of either 1946 or 1966. The Kodak date codes repeat every 20 years. I'm thinking it's 1966, I wouldn't think a studio photographer would use a 35mm camera in 1946 but I could be wrong about that.
The studio light got in this shot.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49935512173_74d333d000_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j5Cy3r)Portrait with Studio Light (https://flic.kr/p/2j5Cy3r) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49935512048_d357751c8d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j5Cy1h)Young Lady (https://flic.kr/p/2j5Cy1h) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
The look on his face is priceless.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49936327242_3ba0320c4b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j5GJkm)Wife and Husband (https://flic.kr/p/2j5GJkm) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Smoking Pose
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49936025326_7abac86f00_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j5FbzU)Smoking Pose (https://flic.kr/p/2j5FbzU) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49935511738_aab8307282_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j5CxUW)Father and Son (https://flic.kr/p/2j5CxUW) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49935511583_0e5116d1bd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j5CxSg)Young Lady with Two Men (https://flic.kr/p/2j5CxSg) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
I think that's all of them for now but you never know.
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Those are really interesting stuff Bryan, I think those shots from either 1946 or 1966 could be either based on the way people are dressed! The Scheyer sign board is interesting too, something about it looks like a model rather than a real sign, but that just may be narrow depth of field or maybe the way the text is written?
The Hawaii stuff is cool too.
Isn't Nitrate film the stuff that can spontaneously combust?
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Those are really interesting stuff Bryan, I think those shots from either 1946 or 1966 could be either based on the way people are dressed! The Scheyer sign board is interesting too, something about it looks like a model rather than a real sign, but that just may be narrow depth of field or maybe the way the text is written?
The Hawaii stuff is cool too.
Isn't Nitrate film the stuff that can spontaneously combust?
I think you're right about the sign, it does look like a model. Looks like he set it up in the lawn. It was shot on 35mm film so that depth of field would be hard to achieve. The wood is very rough cut for normal size lumber.
Nitrate can spontaneously combust if it's deteriorating, this stuff is still in good condition. I did clip a small piece off to see how it burns, it's not explosively fast but it does burn quite well. I'm contemplating how to store it, I had one roll sealed in a film can before I realized it was nitrate, it should be in something that allows it to breathe. It deteriorates similar to cellulose film that gets vinegar syndrome when it's sealed in an air tight container. The other roll was in a cardboard film can that breathes better, I will probably put them both in those and label them as Nitrate.
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Those are really interesting stuff Bryan, I think those shots from either 1946 or 1966 could be either based on the way people are dressed! The Scheyer sign board is interesting too, something about it looks like a model rather than a real sign, but that just may be narrow depth of field or maybe the way the text is written?
The Hawaii stuff is cool too.
I think you're right about the sign, it does look like a model. Looks like he set it up in the lawn. It was shot on 35mm film so that depth of field would be hard to achieve. The wood is very rough cut for normal size lumber.
It does look like a model! Like a business card framed in toothpicks ;D Hey! I now have an idea.... ;)
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It does look like a model! Like a business card framed in toothpicks ;D Hey! I now have an idea.... ;)
Can't wait to see the Indofunk Billboard!
I just found 4 more rolls of film that I didn't know I had! It seems like every time I go looking for something else a roll of film turns up. I found the last two rolls looking for a camera that I wanted to make new bellows for. Clearly I have more stuff than I can keep track of. I'm pretty sure I acquired most of these before I had a good way to scan them so they just got shoved into a box or an old film can. Looks like I have more scanning and editing to do. The new batch includes a roll of 127 film.
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Another roll done. This was Kodak Super XX from around 1950. Looks like the same trip to Hawaii with Elwin D. Scheyer. Looks like he has an Exakta and a Crown Graphic, can't tell what the other camera is sitting on the table. Possibly another camera in a case as well. These were all shot on the Big Island of hawaii. This is at the Volcano House Hotel on the rim of the Kilauea crater.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49940537272_081b206be4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j65iQ5)Volcano House Hotel Guest with Cameras (https://flic.kr/p/2j65iQ5) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49940537417_d7738d5abb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j65iSz)Volcano House Hotel (https://flic.kr/p/2j65iSz) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49940537912_8a2e71fc13_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j65j27)Uwekahuna lookout, Kilauea Crater (https://flic.kr/p/2j65j27) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49939719908_e2679a75e7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j617RA)Fumarole (https://flic.kr/p/2j617RA) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Some more from the same roll.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49940236061_292154acc0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j63LhM)Hiking in the Jungle (https://flic.kr/p/2j63LhM) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49939719338_bfa507c9ec_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j617FL)Boys at the Beach (https://flic.kr/p/2j617FL) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49939719188_6bcb6f3e5f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j617Db)Swimming in the Stream (https://flic.kr/p/2j617Db) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49940537722_9131dde891_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j65iXQ)Hawaii Tour Buses (https://flic.kr/p/2j65iXQ) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Volcano house hotel?
For some odd reason I'm now singing Volcano by the B52's
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It's been so long since I got these negatives that I can't remember exactly where they came from. I think they were in the same batch that the photo below was in. I think the negatives were in a bunch of old metal film canisters, the colorful ones that Kodak film came in. Maybe he was a photographer for the army and later became a professional photographer.
Interestingly, the Scheyers were virtual neighbors of yours, in Bothell.
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It's been so long since I got these negatives that I can't remember exactly where they came from. I think they were in the same batch that the photo below was in. I think the negatives were in a bunch of old metal film canisters, the colorful ones that Kodak film came in. Maybe he was a photographer for the army and later became a professional photographer.
Interestingly, the Scheyers were virtual neighbors of yours, in Bothell.
I saw that, it turns out Rev. Elwin H. Scheyer, his father, was a director in the Bothell school district. He passed away in 1967 and is buried in a cemetery nearby. I drive past that cemetery every time I go into Seattle. I think I got these negatives from an estate sale a few towns away from here. Elwin D. Scheyer lived in Seattle and a few other locations in the area. He was also a member of the local Mountaineers Club in the early 1950's.
Elwin H. Scheyer is mentioned in this court record.
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4219434/state-ex-rel-gebhardt-v-superior-court/ (https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4219434/state-ex-rel-gebhardt-v-superior-court/)
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This is from a roll of DU Pont 2874 Safety Film. I'm not sure what the date of the film is but the photos look like they were taken in the 1970's. I based that on the fashion (Pacific Northwest fashion) and cars in some other photos not shown. They were probably all shot in Washington, that's where the North Head Lighthouse is located, just north of Cape Disappointment.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49946016691_01bc5bd8da_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j6yoEP)North Head Lighthouse (https://flic.kr/p/2j6yoEP) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49945455228_bb86e2358c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j6vvLq)Boys Pitching a Tent (https://flic.kr/p/2j6vvLq) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49945455408_e344ae3f7c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j6vvPw)Clown Float (https://flic.kr/p/2j6vvPw) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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just north of Cape Disappointment.
What a name... I guess the people who named it were massively underwhelmed by their discovery :)
And just imagine the person who's the disappointment of Cape Disappointment... disappointing isn't it ;D
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just north of Cape Disappointment.
What a name... I guess the people who named it were massively underwhelmed by their discovery :)
And just imagine the person who's the disappointment of Cape Disappointment... disappointing isn't it ;D
Don't forget Deception Bay and Dismal Nitch, all in the same area. It's actually a very beautiful area to visit. The name has to do with the first person to discover it thinking it was a bay, a Canadian fur trader. He couldn't get the ship in due to a shallow shoal and missed out on discovering that it was actually the mouth of the Columbia River.
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These are from another roll of Kodak Plus X that has a 1940 date code. The appliances look about right for the 1940's. The whole roll was baby pictures, most were out of focus or poorly exposed.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49948760283_44cb675bdd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j6Nsf8)Mother with Bayby in Kitchen (https://flic.kr/p/2j6Nsf8) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49949263541_747e7e508b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j6R2QZ)Baby (https://flic.kr/p/2j6R2QZ) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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This is the last roll that I know of, maybe something else will pop up. These were on a generic roll of 127 film. I dated them to the 1960's based on the furnishings, the Munro table hockey game and skinny ties.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49949760667_16692edff7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j6TzC8)Halloween Costumes (https://flic.kr/p/2j6TzC8) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49949760507_5abdb3b8c4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j6Tzzn)Family Portrait (https://flic.kr/p/2j6Tzzn) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49949760412_a234144c19_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j6TzxJ)Posing by the Christmas Tree (https://flic.kr/p/2j6TzxJ) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49949471171_02278715a9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j6S6yP)1960's Christmas (https://flic.kr/p/2j6S6yP) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Looking at the decoration, it's definitely the 60's.
You just gotta love those old synthetic Xmas trees with plenty of mylar icicles.
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These are from a roll of 16mm movie film I have that's in pretty bad shape. The film has a lot of broken sprocket holes, it's wrinkled and has vinegar syndrome. These are stills I scanned with a digital camera. The film is Kodak Safety film that has a date code of 1939. The code is "oo" so that gives it a date of 1919, 1939, 1959 or 1979. Since 16mm movie film didn't come out until 1923 that eliminates the 1919 date. I was there in 1979, Seattle and Lake Union looked very different by then. Based on other photos I have seen from the 1950's lake union didn't look like that with the saw mill belching smoke. That only leaves 1939. These were taken from a boat going through the Hiram M. Chittenden Locks, aka Ballard Locks, in Seattle. I immediately recognized it, I go there every now and then to waste film.
This looks like the West side of the locks with Puget Sound in the background.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49989936386_0262b3884d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jarusW)West side of Locks (https://flic.kr/p/2jarusW) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
You can see the smoke stack in the background next to the wigwam burner, that's an old mil that is long gone from Lake Union. This is on the East side of the locks, that's Lake Union beyond the locks.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49989936461_ed32c033cb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jaruue)East side of Locks (https://flic.kr/p/2jaruue) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49989945871_791b585e22_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jarxht)Boat in Locks (https://flic.kr/p/2jarxht) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
I do remember seeing log booms like this around the Puget Sound, that's how they transported the logs to the saw mills. Now logs are all hauled on trucks and there are far less mills in the area. They ship a lot of logs to China now. The Violet Ray sign on the shore is a brand of gasoline that was sold on the west coast, it came out of California.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49989936421_a0089a1f10_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jarutx)Tug Pulling Log Boom (https://flic.kr/p/2jarutx) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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These are fantastic! Thanks for sharing them, Bryan.
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This is an unusual find. We were looking through the plans building of an industrial facility that I'm currently working at to try to find blueprints of the buildings we are working on. I found a file box full of boxes of 4X5 film that had been shot around the plant. These have been sitting in a building since the plant was abandoned 20 years ago. I grabbed one box and took it back to my hotel to scan. It turns out it was shot during an open house they had in the 1950's called Family Day Tour of the Mead Works.
A quick look at some of the other boxes were just boring shots of equipment but if I have time I'll see if there is anything else worth scanning. It looks like they may have used infrared film for some stuff. I think these were shot on a Kodak 4X5 roll film. The negatives are thinner than 4X5 sheet film and there is no edge notch. All it says on the film is Kodak Safety Film and there are frame numbers. They were all cut into single sheets.
I think these were shot some time shortly after 1953. The ambulance looks fairly new, it's a 1953 Cadillac. The fashions look like 1950's.
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I recognize a lot of these buildings, I don't think they tore anything down, they just added to them as the facility grew.
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A few more from that batch.
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That is so cool Bryan!
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Bryan, that is extremely cool!
We really used to get dressed up for things and our posture was much better then too it seems...maybe it's just that fill flash that straightens everything up and makes it look so snappy sharp!
Please share more! I was just looking at old photos on eb**.
you scored!
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I just grabbed some more boxes to go through during my time off. They put the negatives back into the original film box to catalog them so I'm not sure if the film in the box is the same as what was originally in it before it was shot. Some of the older boxes have an expiration date of 1951. I'll be posting more as I get to them.
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The film could have come from a filmpack as these were somewhat popular at one point. Since the film was curled around to move the exposed film to the back of the stack, it needed to be thinner.
Filmpacks had 10 sheets in them, a lot more convenient than carrying 5 holders.
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The film could have come from a filmpack as these were somewhat popular at one point. Since the film was curled around to move the exposed film to the back of the stack, it needed to be thinner.
Filmpacks had 10 sheets in them, a lot more convenient than carrying 5 holders.
That's probably what it was, the placement of the numbers and "Kodak Safety Film" could have ended up on an image if it was roll film.
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There's a lot of negatives to scan, I've been concentrating my efforts on scanning while I have access to them rather than editing. I'll keep posting some good ones as I get to them. I pulled some of the lowest numbered boxes which I think date to the 1940's. As I said before we pulled some blue prints to see how some of the buildings were constructed. In some of the photos it shows construction of some of these buildings that we're doing demolition on and the blue prints are dated to the 1940's. Many of the vehicles look like they are from that era. Much of this facility was constructed during WWII to support the war effort.
The first photo is construction of a building that we are currently doing demolition on. The second photo is the entrance to the plant with with deliveries of power poles, milk and fuel streaming in. The last photo is a guy turning a valve, some of the best photos show people working in the factory so I'll be sharing more like that.
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This is construction of the Rectifier building. The building is over 1,500 feet long. If it was standing vertical it would be taller than the Empire State building.
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Power poles, milk and fuel?
What an odd mix.
And that building is bound to be loaded with Asbestos...
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Power poles, milk and fuel?
What an odd mix.
And that building is bound to be loaded with Asbestos...
At that time the plant was operating and under construction so those deliveries aren't so unusual. The plant used a lot of electricity, the scrapers and tweekers had a great time stripping this place of copper after it closed.
At the time many of these buildings were constructed if there was a way to put asbestos in a building product they did. This place was covered with a wonderful siding product composed of corrugated metal covered with a mix of asbestos and PCB tar. Now that the siding has been weathered it's releasing PCB's into a nearby river. That's why I'm here, we're stripping all that wonderful siding from the buildings, hundreds of thousands of square feet of it.
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I know Asbestos was put in so many things in those days it's scary.
On our street lives a plumber who got lung cancer from Asbestos insulated pipes...
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Bryan, those are an excellent find and really cool pictures. There are probably some historians somewhere who'd be drooling at those.
As Francois said, asbestos was everywhere. When I was at school there were asbestos mats in the chemistry lab, some of which had many loose fibres, and some of the 'bad lads' used to snap them in half.
A friend of mine worked for British Telecom, and has had to tested for asbestosis in the past. He came up clear, unlike some of his colleagues.
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Well... I have a big chunk of Asbestos rock in a box at home... The thing must weigh 2 Lbs.
Also got some other weird mineral stuff.
I'm still waiting to find a cube of tungsten or, my holy grail of weird materials: a small cube of depleted uranium like is used to make the shielding on tanks.
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Francois, you don't want to be anywhere near depleted uranium, it is not harmless. It's used for tipping bombs and grenades because it can easier penetrate concrete, and now people and especially children are suffering the effects of this in Irak, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya. There has been an explosion in cancer and children born with defects in these countries.
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I actually was thinking of keeping it in a sealed lead lined box as one of my many curiosities.
I can just imagine people going: what's in that box? and me going: Oh! it's just a block of depleted Uranium. You wanna see it?
And then get to see people think that I'm totally insane for keeping a thing like that in a box but be too curious not to take a look at it.
Thing is I have a knack for strange materials and minerals... it's something I take from my grandmother.
In my rarities, I also have a small aluminum ingot, a lump of coal from Alberta, countless crystals, some quartz, some agates, a few sand roses, some mica, all sorts of sea shells, a few corals that date back to the 1950's, a conch horn, a Coolidge tube, some high voltage ceramic insulators, turbine engine blades, a polydactyle ceramic hand and countless other things. Usually the stranger the better... As long as it allows me to tell an interesting story, it's fair game.
I once wanted to buy a dry box fish but mom stopped me... granted the eyes on that thing weren't glossy anymore and it had seen better days.
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I held a chunk of depleted uranium in my gloved hand once, it was heavy! We we're doing a cleanup where a guy was making yellow cake uranium in his apartment. The FBI saw he was trying to sell the yellow cake on eBay so they shut him down. You would be surprised at how much radioactive stuff you can buy on eBay, not just lenses.
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That's one thing I would never do. When you know how bad something really is for you, you don't want to even touch it.
But you always have to consider the risks. Just like the asbestos, if it doesn't get in the air it's pretty much harmless.
If it doesn't emit radiation, doesn't get in the air as loose particles, is not subjected to water or excessive humidity, pretty much everything is quite harmless.
On a side note, when you buy ceramics that have an orange glaze, the orange color is made using uranium oxide...
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That's one thing I would never do. When you know how bad something really is for you, you don't want to even touch it.
But you always have to consider the risks. Just like the asbestos, if it doesn't get in the air it's pretty much harmless.
If it doesn't emit radiation, doesn't get in the air as loose particles, is not subjected to water or excessive humidity, pretty much everything is quite harmless.
On a side note, when you buy ceramics that have an orange glaze, the orange color is made using uranium oxide...
If the radiation expert for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission didn't tell me it was safe to hold I wouldn't have done it. Depleted Uranium is actually used as a radiation shield, they use it in industrial photography to shield cameras from radiation. It also has several civilian uses.
In addition to the orange Fiestaware dishes green depression glass was radioactive. Also old glow in the dark dials for airplane gauges and watches were made with radium. There's a book called "The Radium Girls" about the women who were exposed to the radiation when they were painting the glow in the dark numbers on aircraft dials.
The guy that was making yellow cake uranium in his apartment had a collection of consumer products that were radioactive including a few Invigerators that are not safe to have. I'm not sure but he may have been grinding down some consumer products to make his yellow cake.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/1/100118-radiation-toxic-water-revigator/ (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/1/100118-radiation-toxic-water-revigator/)
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This reminds me of the Boy Scout who built a feeder type reactor in his garden shed. He was really negligent and didn't put any shielding on the thing. The Atomic Energy Commission had measured high radiation levels from 2 blocks away...
What I find sad is that there are some people who know just enough to be dangerous to people and themselves yet not enough to stay out of harms way.
The problems they have with the uranium shells in war torn countries wouldn't have happened if the material had not been blasted in the atmosphere.
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FYI, this is the box of film I'm going through right now. There are 42 boxes with between 50 and 100 negatives per box. So far I have scanned 7 boxes and I'm almost done editing my third box. I'm concentrating on getting them scanned right now while I have them available to me. I'm not scanning everything, there's a lot of boring and repetitive stuff like the second photo below. If I see something like that I may scan one and ignore the rest. I'm doing this on my spare time which I don't have a lot of right now so it may take a while to get through it all. I will add interesting photos as I finish editing boxes. I do enjoy doing this, it's fun to discover what the photos are and I have a good workflow set up in my hotel room.
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Looking at the second one, all I can say is that the lab tech had seriously big thumbs ;D
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Looking at the second one, all I can say is that the lab tech had seriously big thumbs ;D
I think those are machine marks, not giant thumb prints. It looks like each photo was a after machining layers from a sample of aluminum.
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I think I can date these shots to 1951. It looks like the spelled out Happy New Year with aluminum samples of some kind. The second shot is more construction of the plant. There are a lot of construction shots, they were doing major expansion of the plant at this time.
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Looks like corporate muckety mucks having some kind of event that involved drinking and gambling.
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So far this first one is one of my favorite shots. Not sure what the second shot has to do with an aluminum smelter but it's a nice shot. I now have the photos organized in chronological order based on the numbers on the photos so I'll be posting them in that order. These are from the box that covers 1 - 50. I think it's right around 1950, possibly a little earlier than that.
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These ones were not taken at the factory but the fire truck is from Kaiser aluminum. I assume that the factory had their own fire department and also served the local community on a volunteer basis. This was a rural area back then, still is kind of rural today, just a lot more strip malls and big box stores.
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This may be a view of the fire from the factory, it's number 36, the fire photos directly follow it.
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In those days, cameras and film were very expensive so it only makes sense that the photographer brought the camera home to take some family photos on the company's gear.
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In those days, cameras and film were very expensive so it only makes sense that the photographer brought the camera home to take some family photos on the company's gear.
I can understand that but then it was numbered and archived with the company photos, maybe it was an employee. Judging by some of the photos I have seen I think it may have been an employee appreciation or morale thing.
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Or they had a lab tech who processed the film and automatically archived everything. The photographer just had to ask for the prints.
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I scanned 7 boxes over the weekend but I'm pretty far behind on editing them. These next ones are from box 51-100, some good ones in this box. these are more construction, the plant was purchased from the US government after WWII and then a major expansion to the factory took place.
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These are some employee photos. There's a total of 8 of the portraits of women in this batch, some of the same women that were in the Happy New Year 1951 picture I posted earlier.
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For a moment there I thought that first one was a really complicated antique coffee machine!
The third one though is wonderful! Answering the phone, pen in hand, pencil stuck behind the ear, next to a big ol' sit up and beg typewriter with the ribbon spools on top.
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I hadn't noticed that the guy had two pencils... he surely didn't want to run out of lead!
I can imagine that he's probably the type of people who also wear both a belt and suspenders "just in case" ;D
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For a moment there I thought that first one was a really complicated antique coffee machine!
The third one though is wonderful! Answering the phone, pen in hand, pencil stuck behind the ear, next to a big ol' sit up and beg typewriter with the ribbon spools on top.
That's how we made Espresso back in the day, you young whipper snappers don't know how easy you have it. And if you wanted cream you had to walk up hill in the snow both ways to milk a cow.
I'm guessing that guy goes through a lot of pencils, he's a very busy man.
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Man, that second one is so good. Looks like those famous rust belt photos. Also could be included in our "photos with pop" thread :D
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Lots of construction and a picture of the locker room.
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This is a picture of a picture of the bowling league. It wasn't numbered like the rest of the photos, just randomly stuck in one of the boxes. Looks like they have the team names hanging above the lanes, "Accounting Mechanics", "Industrial Relations Machinists", "Metal Service Control Room", "Reduction Carbon Plant". I can't make out what the last one says.
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Wow, I haven't seen wash basins like that since I was in primary school!
You don't find stuff like that nowadays.
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Wow, I haven't seen wash basins like that since I was in primary school!
You don't find stuff like that nowadays.
Probably don't see them anymore because they wasted a lot of water. At least it was touch free with the foot pedal, the less stuff you touch in a public restroom the better.
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The foot pedal part is one thing I always liked about them. It makes it pretty obvious that you must push it down to get the water flowing. With the infrared sensor taps, you're always hunting for the sweet spot.
Also, the electronic ones are proving to be not quite as sanitary as we think.
In a local hospital they began having surgery patients that developed unrelated infections. It took them a while to figure out that it was related to the new sinks and taps that were installed. It turned out that water didn't get enough flow time to flush out all bacteria in the taps.
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Never seen those before, I thought it looked like something from "Plan 9 from Outer Space".
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The ones we had back in school were all concrete with some pebbles embedded in it.
The fun thing is the water came out of the center column in little jets that resemble a garden sprayer.
If I remember the soap dispenser was on top of the column.
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You should try visiting UK motorway service stations. A lot have them. Modern stainless steel ones though.
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And the bathrooms are probably better equipped than the French ones of the 80's with their Turkish toilets...
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There are three of these log books with the photos that list details of each shot. I'm photographing each page so I have that information. Some log books are missing, these ones don't cover all the photos. There are names for some of the people in the photos and descriptions of some of the events that were photographed.
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The mini ingots on the forklift look like the same ones that the ladies spelled out Happy New Year 1951 with in one of the previous pictures. The guy in the second picture is electroplating something. The jug on the work bench is electroplating solution. The third picture makes me wonder how much a union worker got paid to thread nuts onto bolts.
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Pouring concrete in 1951 wasn't a lot different than how they do it today. We have some better tools now but the basics look the same.
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Cement work definitely hasn't changed much. Though there ain't fifty ways to modify a trowel...
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The latest box, 251-300, is done. Kind of a boring one, mostly views of construction and quality control photos. This first one looks like a horribly dusty place to work. This place is still horribly dusty. I think this is part of the conveyor system that moved the alumina (aluminium oxide) from the rail line to the pot line where they turned it into aluminum. I don't think the Bauxite ore ever came to this plant, I think it was refined to alumina somewhere else. The alumina is that white dust, it's still all over the place out here.
The second photo is masons constructing a small building. One great thing about the construction shots is all the old cars and trucks.
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It's amazing how much construction was going on at the same time to expand this factory.
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It must have been awful to work with so much dust in the air.
With so much aluminum oxide everywhere, you definitely don't want to bring in some iron oxide powder and mix it in....
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Four photos up is a shot of a masonry building under construction, it's the same as the building below. Now that I see what building it was I realized that's the building I found the negatives in.
I finished scanning all the negatives yesterday, now the hard part, editing them. I now have a date range for all of them thanks to clues in some of the pictures and the log books. The earliest were around 1950, possibly earlier but not by much. The last log entry is in 1956 but that's for photo number 2408, the last photo is number 2522. It may have gone into 1957 but I doubt it went past that. That last box was not completely filled and instead of having a range of numbers written on the box like 2451-2500 it read 2501-, so I'm pretty sure it's the last one. There were a few 6X6 shots on 120 film shoved in some of the last boxes so maybe they moved on to a different format. I didn't find any more film in that building other than some 16mm film that has very bad Vinegar Syndrome.
I did find a field note book in another building that has entries from 1942 but nothing to do with photography. Looks like engineering notes.
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It must be quite a relief to finally see the end of the scanning part!
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Wow! What a fascinating thread with some wonderful images; thanks so much for sharing this ongoing project here, Bryan.
:)
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One thing I noticed with the log books, a photo I posted earlier, #342, Happy New Year 1951, was shot on November 11, 1950. There are a lot of pictures that were shot November and December after that. Maybe it was shot in advance for a company news letter or something like that.
These shots are all from box 451-500, construction work shot in December during a snow storm. Based on the log book both of these were shot on December 8, 1950. Photo 455 was shutter speed 1/25 at f/8 and photo 467 was shutter speed 1/50 at f/11. It doesn't say the make or model of the lens but it was 135mm, f/4.5. The film is Kodak Super Panchro-Press Type B. Photo 455 is expansion of building 66, the compressor building. Photo 467 was erecting steel on building 30, one of several pot line buildings.
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Wow! What a fascinating thread with some wonderful images; thanks so much for sharing this ongoing project here, Bryan.
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Thanks Ed, lots more to come. If I start overloading the servers or start boring everyone to death let me know.
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Some photos of people working in the factory. Looks like a machine shop to me. The film is still Kodak Super Panchro-Press Type B, that seems to be the most common film they used. For these shots they used an on-camera flash with a #5 bulb. #485 is described as Copper Metalizer, not sure what that is. If you hate wearing a mask for COVID you should really feel for this guy, that mask can't be comfortable. #487 is described as Aluminum Bus Punch. #490 is described as Aluminum Welder.
The last photo is described as Wedding Gifts for Ami Jensen. I had to look it up, held og lykke is Danish for good luck and happiness.
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That mask might not have been very comfy but it would look fantastic as part of a Star Wars or Bladerunner costume!
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Finished editing another box, numbers 501 to 550. Construction is getting closer to completion on some of the buildings.
506 - look at the guy in the lower left. December 20, 1950
515 - Pot Line building #30. December 20, 1950
520 - Installing roof on Pot Line Building. I guess somebody needs to go up there and attach the roof panels, not something I would do.
548 - This is the interior of the Rectifier building, the long brick building. Those must be rectifiers. It looks like they are getting close to finishing it. Driving by it this morning I could see where there is a change in the brick where they extended onto the building. The building is empty now, all the rectifiers were scrapped for the copper several years ago. December 27, 1950
532 - This is an odd one, the notes say "Smudge caused by salamander in construction lunch tent". It's dated December 22, 1950 so reptilian salamanders would be hibernating. I know there are kerosene heaters used in construction called salamanders that blow hot air, not sure if they had them back then.
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Some people pictures all taken on December 20, 1950 using #5 flash bulb.
525 - Charles "Pop" Lux in the restroom.
527, 528 & 530 - Rudy Petow in the pump house and at the oil tanks. He looks like the guy you call if you need a valve turned or a hose connected.
531 - L.W. "Bud" Glassley wiring in Duplex Cubicle.
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This looks like an event they had, it's only labeled Betty Johnson. All taken on December 22, 1950 shot at 1/50, f/8 using #5 bulb.
534 & 535 - not sure what this lady is doing but the lady on the right does not look amused.
536 - Some Polka music for the event.
543 - Group shot
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Box 551-600 was mostly boring quality control photos, the rest were construction. I only scanned one quality control photo, #568 below. As we strip siding off the buildings they are starting to look like they did during construction. These are the last of the shots from 1950, all shot on December 31, 1950.
553 - Building 55 under construction. We stripped all the siding, the roof is still there but it looks a lot like this.
561 - Construction of the Ore Bridge. This was a conveyor system that took the alumina from the railroad cars to the tall tanks. It started in a tunnel under the train tracks and reached about 100 feet above the ground. The section in this photo was already gone when I got here but we have taken siding off it on the lower parts up to the highest remaining point at 100 feet. The alumina tanks were removed several years ago.
566 - Construction of building 34 extension. This building was about 1,500 feet long with siding on both sides, it was the first we removed.
568 - Aluminum weld test. one of many quality control shots like this. For the flash it says #2 F.F., 15". I assume that's a #2 bulb for Fill Flash at 15" from the subject. The distance from the lens is listed at 3 5/8, not sure if that's feet or inches, I think it's inches. I don't think my Crown Graphic can't get that close without doing some kind of extension.
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Box 601-650.
608 - January 12, 1951, Location of well #4. There are still several water wells on site, even the local utility company uses one for the community. I think the well house for well #4 is still on site but I don't think it's an operational well anymore.
615 - January 17, 1951, Ore Bridge construction. The guy standing on a wood plank is about 100 feet above the ground. OSHA wasn't established in the U.S. until 20 years later. There's a lot of scary health and safety stuff in these photos.
These next three are kind of odd, especially the last one. All shot on January 26, 1951
647 - Horse Shoes
648 - James DeLon having a game of marbles.
650 - No description written for this one.
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Back at the photos again. Went home for the holiday weekend, my wife had way too many chores so no time for editing. That's what I get for being gone for 6 weeks. These are from box 651 to 700.
663 - February 2, 1951, Potline Operation. Looks like a horrible place to work.
666 - February 2, 1951, Frank Bort, Construction Superintendent.
668 - February 3, 1951, Al Garcia, tending pot. Good thing he wore a tie for the occasion.
671 - February 5, 1951, Drilling well #4 - 80 ft depth. L to R Drilling boss, WWW, ROG, HRT.
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682 - February 19, 1951, Harold Phinney
685 - February 20, 1951, Gate Light Bulb. How many union factory workers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
689 - February 20, 1951, Bill Heaten, Don McKee and Rolf Olsness limbering up.
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Box 701-750. Looks like a leaky roof.
710 - March 13, 1951, Roof building 55 construction seam in roof slab.
711 - March 13, 1951, Water draining from ice below roof slab.
717 - March 15, 1951, Hap Lord refilling fire extinguisher, for KA news. This is the first time I have seen a reference to KA News, must have been a company newsletter. That would explain some other random shots.
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I like this first one, great shot of some dirty workers.
720 - March 13, 1951, Mickey Sanders, Hugh Foster, Earl Wham, Carmine Nicholetti.
732 - April 3, 1951, no information for this photo.
748 - April 5, 1951 - pastoral view of the pollution spewing factory.
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Box 571-800.
761 - April 13, 1951, Pigs (Ingots under 25 kg are called a pig)
773 - April 13, 1951, Bowling Award Dinner.
780 - April 17, 1951, Well number 4 pumping
782 - April 17, 1951, Well driller
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791 - April 19, 1951, icicles.
793 - April 20, 1951, Stan repairing meter
795 - April 20, 1951, Checking meters
796 - April 20, 1951, Chas Uden busy at his desk.
797 - April 20, 1951, Bob Redinger, Fred Sundstad, Orville Newman with new softball equipment.
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Box 801 - 850. This log book ends on number 805, I have one more log book that starts on number 1744 so there's a big gap without information.
802 - May 16, 1951 - Matt McDonald. I guess the other guy wasn't important
808 - this guy look like a train conductor
820 and 821 - looks like this guy makes small horse saddles for his daughter. I'm guessing this was for the newsletter.
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These ones look like a company pick nick, I think they continue into the next box.
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Box 851-900,
852, 862, a few more from the company pick nick.
868, 872, some military portraits. One thing missing from that map in photo 872 is Interstate 90 which was built about a decade later. Must have been a long slow slog across the state back then.
870, looks like they're adding the pump to well #4.
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Looks like a bridal shower, she got a nice new Sunbeam waffle maker,
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881, not sure what they would be doing with a barrel of bees at an aluminum smelter.
886, 887, looks like more photos of the softball team.
893, The nicely dressed people from the employment office.
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That lady looks sooo happy to have a brand new waffle maker ;D
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That lady looks sooo happy to have a brand new waffle maker ;D
That was probably an expensive appliance back then, her smile makes the picture.
These are from box 901 - 950, 904 and 906 looks like another wedding shower.
925 - working in the lab
944 - I think this is in the pot line where they made the aluminum ingots.
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This factory made two things, the aluminum ingots and carbon anodes. The carbon anodes are used in the pot line to convert the alumina into aluminum. From what I understand this facility was one of only a few in the region that made carbon anodes, they supplied them to other smelters. Aluminum smelting was a large industry in the Pacific Northwest because of the cheap electricity that came from all the hydroelectric dams. Many of the smelters are shut down now, must be cheaper to make it somewhere else.
These pits that they baked the anodes in are still on site, they are deep and there's a lot of them. There are also mountains of carbon that are part of the cleanup I'm doing. Nasty black powder. I think they made the carbon from coal tar and green coke, not sure how that process worked but these look like the finished product coming out of the oven. I didn't realize they were so large, maybe they made different sizes and shapes.
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Box 951 - 1000, some pictures of employees.
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Bowling leage. Box 1001-1050
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Must be the end of 1951.
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Box 1051 - 1100.
1025 - I know, this one shouldn't be in this box but I think it's numbered wrong. There's another 1025 in the proper box. That looks like a teletype machine next to her. Amazing technology, you can type a letter and send it to someone else over a phone line, what will they think of next. She must have been the switch board operator.
1065 - Whoever made this was not impressed with their co-workers skiing skills.
1070 - Looks a little cold for softball, maybe they started the season early back then.
1082 - I have no idea what's going on here.
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The scans I'm sharing here are reduced size to meet the forums size requirement. There's a lot of detail in my full size scans and it's fun to zoom into things in some of the photos.
1080 - I noticed these batteries that are quite large. It's a No. 6 dry cell that's not made anymore. There were used in cars for ignition and old clocks and radios. It was one of the first dry cell batteries made.
1085 - Looks like this guy has something to do with radio repair, the radio he's working on looks like an old AM car radio, this one is made by Motorola.
Crop 1085c is a display stand with bottles of what I assume are chemicals. The display stand says "General Radio Chem..". Not sure what they are but Radio Chemicals would be radioactive chemicals as far as I know. Seems like an odd thing to have, or it could be something else.
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These must have been for the company news letter.
1089 - This guy collects shells
1090 - A musical family.
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A zoom from the family picture above, Marvel Tales #103
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Tales_Vol_1_103 (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Tales_Vol_1_103)
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Great stuff Bryan. My grandfather worked as a foreman at Kaiser Meade for a good chunk of his life. I haven't spotted him in any of these shots. They might pre-date his tenure.
I have been helping scan some old family photos and came across this gem. Downtown Spokane in the 40's? I found ads for Wilrob's Cameras in the Gonzaga Bulletin from 1953/4, but I think this shot probably is before that.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50354269911_ca116e7103_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jHCN8r)Spokane-008 (https://flic.kr/p/2jHCN8r) by James Harr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/harrlequin/), on Flickr
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Great stuff Bryan. My grandfather worked as a foreman at Kaiser Meade for a good chunk of his life. I haven't spotted him in any of these shots. They might pre-date his tenure.
I have been helping scan some old family photos and came across this gem. Downtown Spokane in the 40's? I found ads for Wilrob's Cameras in the Gonzaga Bulletin from 1953/4, but I think this shot probably is before that
That would be cool if he turns up in these, I think the latest this batch goes is 1956 or 1957. If you want to send me his name I can look through the log books to see if there is any reference to him. I’m not posting every photo so hopefully I don’t pass him up if he is in here. I don’t have logs for all the photos and not everyone is named in the book so keep an eye out.
Someone I’m working with on the site has a grandfather that worked here when these photos were taken so I’m going to give him a copy of them when I’m done. I think his grandfather was an electrician.
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Great stuff Bryan. My grandfather worked as a foreman at Kaiser Meade for a good chunk of his life. I haven't spotted him in any of these shots. They might pre-date his tenure.
I have been helping scan some old family photos and came across this gem. Downtown Spokane in the 40's? I found ads for Wilrob's Cameras in the Gonzaga Bulletin from 1953/4, but I think this shot probably is before that.
I think that car on the left is a 1956 Pontiac. Over on the right are two camera stores right next to each other -- that's pretty extraordinary.
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I saw that too Mike, you could go into Wilrobs and say Dan offered me a better deal on that camera...
These are from Box 1101 - 1150, more crops.
1106 - At first I thought this was just another boring quality control photo, then I saw the film holders and box of flash bulbs in the back.
1136 - Laying brick in an oven and munching on an Oh Henry candy bar.
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1142 - Working on some big gears
1147, 1149 and 1150 - Some kind of award banquet.
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Someone just handed me some more film. One of the missing boxes of 4X5 negatives, about 100 color slides and some color negatives. Looks like I'll be doing some more scanning this weekend.
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Wow!
That is a lot of pictures.
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Wow!
That is a lot of pictures.
Not sure why my iPhone photo above got messed up like that, looks fine on my phone and computer.
I started scanning them last night, got through most of it. It's a little over 100 color slides that look much more recent than the stuff I've been posting. The color negatives are in really bad shape and it looks like a lot of shots that are just blank.
The box of 4X5 negatives has 50, like most of the other boxes. It's box 1501 to 1550, one of a few boxes that were missing from the sequence. I'm still missing 2101 to 2250 plus several random photos missing from many of the boxes. It's pretty amazing they survived at all considering they've been here for almost 70 years, 20 years of that after the factory shut down.
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Box 1151 - 1200, more from the award banquet. Looks like it's getting late in the evening and people are drinking a lot of Seagram's 7, gambling and dancing. I think the photographer may have been drinking, 4 shots were double exposures.
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In case you were wondering how they erected smoke stacks back then.
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The icing on the cake.
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That is surprising...
Nowadays they probably lift the entire smokestack one part at a time from the ground like they do for tower cranes.
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That is surprising...
Nowadays they probably lift the entire smokestack one part at a time from the ground like they do for tower cranes.
They would probably place the whole thing at once with a crane if they were doing it today. This method was probably cheap but very dangerous. Those were to good old days when you could kill or wound your employees without any repercussions. Imagine if one of those cables slipped or broke, that would throw the whole operation into disaster. Here's a few crops of those photos, there's three people on that scaffolding at the top to receive the stack section.
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And the ladder doesn't seem to even have a cage around it!
Safety: 327th on the list of things to do.
Though when you look at the failblog you get the feeling things are still like that even in civilized countries.
Here's one I saw years ago that actually took place in Quebec City......
https://cheezburger.com/4528323584/jacked-theres-using-your-crane-ium
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Box 1201 - 1250. Some staged photos, probably for the newsletter.
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1227P - I think this is how they pressed the carbon anodes into shape before they baked then.
1234P - Un-baked anodes coming from the pressing machine.
1238R - Looks like the laboratory staff.
1248R - Portrait.
I'm not sure why they started putting letters, mostly P and R and M, after the picture numbers. Maybe it indicates who took the photo or what department it was for.
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Then and now comparison. I shot the now photo with a Kodak Retina I using Ilford Pan F 50+ developed in Rodinal.
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Not much of a difference!! Except the truck moved a few yards farther away ;D
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Maybe a few differences Satish, I think our truck is a little more recent than 1950's vintage.
These are from Box 1251-1300. These look like they're for the news letter.
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These are from the same box. Looks like a company pick nick, lots of good ones in here and I think it goes into the next box.
1268 - Prizes to give away
1271 and 1275 - a few prize winners
1276 - Ice Cream!
1280 - Pie eating competition
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More prize winners.
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A 3 y.o. kid with a revolver... what could possibly go wrong?
I guess things didn't change much in a sense...
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Box 1301-1350, more from the company pick nick.
1303 - I like this one because he's sitting on a case of Rainier beer, that's the brand I usually use to develop film.
1304 and 1306 - some family shots.
1309 - This is where they had the company pick nick, on lake Coeur d'Alene in Idaho next to the old Playland Pier. Here's some information on the amusement park and the restoration of the carousel.
http://www.nostalgiamagazine.net/2019/04/01/good-times-at-playland-pier-in-coeur-dalene/ (http://www.nostalgiamagazine.net/2019/04/01/good-times-at-playland-pier-in-coeur-dalene/)
https://cdacarousel.com/history/ (https://cdacarousel.com/history/)
1311 - Shot with the carousel in the background.
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Here's some Aluminum Smelter theater, we're talking way off Broadway.
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1322 - The new tank is here!
1336 - This must be the guy at the front gate.
1337 - Employee portrait
1342 - Tour of the factory sewage/wastewater treatment plant. I'm not sure what the giant milk bottle tanks are, they were long gone before I got here.
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Love the way they wear their ties too short...
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Love the way they wear their ties too short...
That's so that, when they get them caught in the machinery, it's a quicker death.
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They should definitely be wearing a Collin Furze Safety Tie...
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The guard one (1336) looks like that guy in the first reel of a film noir who's one day short of retirement when they get shot by the bad guy during the heist.
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I think he was in a 60's TV show....
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Looks like he came right out of Central Casting.
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Box 1351-1400
1366 - I guess they didn't have to worry about the employees wasting time on the internet with a computer like this.
1367 - I think the photographer had to tilt the camera to get it all in. At least they're using cranes and scaffolding this time.
1370 - That locomotive is pretty cool looking.
1371 - Old truck mounted crane.
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1377 - That look on his face and all those chemicals on his desk, somethings going on there.
1378 - Showing off his manger scene.
1380 - Another shower shot.
1390 - Those are carbon anodes on the right, not sure what's in the bins.
1393 - Looks like they're going to hit something really hard with the thing.
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First aid training 1950's style.
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I wonder what the guys on the floor put on their resume?
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Box 1401-1450
1411 and 1437 - Over head crane and operator. I've never seen so many overhead cranes in one facility.
1418 - There were 6 takes of this portrait, that's the most I have seen so far. Usually it's just on or two, she must have been important. I thought this was the best one.
1439 - Decorating the Christmas tree.
1443 - Must be something important to celebrate, that's a lot of cigars.
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1418 is important indeed! Too bad they didn't have any lighting to supplement the on-camera flash. Just one light to camera left would probably have made a huge difference.
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I'm surprised they didn't think of photofloods in an aluminum reflector....
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Box 1451-1500
1451 - Measuring white powder in the lab, must be alumina.
1452 - Testing something in the lab
1462 - Scooping alumina from under one of the large alumina bins in the pot line.
1464 - Looks like navy uniforms, I think they're in the laboratory building.
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1483 - I assume these nurses are in a factory clinic.
1489 - Worker portrait
1498 - These are anode butts. They put these in the alumina and run a bunch of electricity through it to make aluminum. The butts are used up anodes that are then sand blasted clean, crushed and recycled into new anodes.
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1462 definitely reminds me of this ;D
(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/scarfacenew.jpg)
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1462 definitely reminds me of this ;D
That guy puts Tony Montana to shame.
Box 1501-1550
1522 - Christmas presents
1533 and 1537 - Nuns touring the factory. Photo 1533 caught my eye because off the willies wagon in the background, my brother had one of those. I remember going off road with him in it, his only had a drivers seat, I had to sit on a milk crate. The interesting thing is this photo was taken about the same time that Kaiser Motors purchased the Willys-Overland company and changed the name to Willys Motor Company. Kaiser Motors was owned by Henry Kaiser who also owned this factory.
1545 - Driving the Hyster food wagon. Hyster is still in business making forklifts and such. The top box says Tobacco, under it is pastry followed by Hamburgers, Coney's. I assume Coney's are hot dogs and Tobacco was considered a food group back then.
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That food cart made me smile. We had some somewhat similar carts at University for the maintenance guys. Only difference is that they were electric and had a platform at the back. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen them carry more than a mailbag or a toolbox....
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Would it be to naive for me to expect to see any people of colour due to when these pictures were made, the type of work being done and segregation laws of the time? Not meaning to start a discussion on race and politic on here, it was just something that I noticed and was wondering.
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It could also just be a question of demographics. When you think of it, people of color used to represent a minority in most states at the time, with their concentration mostly in the south and on the east coast (with a bit in California).
Even in Canada it wasn't a common sight up until the 80's... I remember in the school I went to when I was a kid there were exactly 2 persons with dark skin and a girl from Laos... and that was just south of Montreal.
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Would it be to naive for me to expect to see any people of colour due to when these pictures were made, the type of work being done and segregation laws of the time? Not meaning to start a discussion on race and politic on here, it was just something that I noticed and was wondering.
To be honest that has been on my mind throughout most of this process. Spokane is more diverse now than it was in the 1950's but it's still very white. I don't think the 1950 census accounted for race but the 1960 census has Spokane at 97.5% white, 1.3% Black, 0.8% Asian and Pacific Islander, and 0.3% American Indian and Alaska Native. In 2010 they have the white population at 85%.
There were a few pictures I didn't post because I thought they were too racist. There's also the sexism in how women only appear in certain types of jobs as well as how they are portrayed in many of these photos.
The jobs at this factory were good paying union jobs, probably only available to white men at that time due to segregation. There is only one instance where I think I saw a person of color but it's kind of hard to tell. It was a photo I already posted and I wondered at the time if anyone would pick up on it. This was my first posting of the photo, 1149R:
http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=10046.msg136413#msg136413 (http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=10046.msg136413#msg136413)
The problem is the reduced size of these photos makes it difficult to see so here's another Zoom. Notice the table of people seated in the back corner behind a column.
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That's sadly how things were back in those days...
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Box 1601-1650. If you go back to the first box of negatives that I shared it was 1551-1600. That's a the first box I grabbed to see what was on the film, just happened to be sitting on top. If you look back you will see that it was an open house event they had at the factory for family and friends. This box has a few more shots from that event.
http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=10046.msg136175#msg136175 (http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=10046.msg136175#msg136175)
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1620 - Job instruction training.
1622 - Workers standing on a pot
1634 - I think he's taking some kind of instrument out of the cabinet.
1637 - I think this may be another overhead crane operator.
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1640 - I looked up the guitar, it looks like a 1949 Harmony Silvertone Hollowbody Electric.
https://jakewildwood.blogspot.com/2017/04/1949-harmony-made-silvertone-hollowbody.html (https://jakewildwood.blogspot.com/2017/04/1949-harmony-made-silvertone-hollowbody.html)
1642 - More musical entertainment.
1645 - Employee portait
1646 - Birthday cake
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Just realized this one makes is a good before and after shot.
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Not much left of it...
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Box 1651-1700
1667 - A zoom on the poster that totally reminds me of the Soviet era worker posters. I think they still use them in North Korea.
1684 - A forklift without forks. Clark still makes forklifts, it's amazing how little forklifts have changed over the last 65 years. https://www.clarkmhc.com/Trucks (https://www.clarkmhc.com/Trucks)
1686 - A three wheel loader. This thing looks extremely unstable but I bet it can maneuver really well in tight spaces.
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There are still some companies that make 3 wheel forklifts. I see them most often on the back of lumber delivery trucks and inside beer delivery trucks.
They have a really wide track for stability.
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Box 1701-1800
1732 - This is some of the crap we're cleaning up, they left a large building full of it. Nasty dusty stuff.
1738 - I think they are lining one of the pots with anode bricks.
1739 - Testing something in the lab.
1740 - I think it's safe to say this was taken in 1954.
1742 - More lab testing.
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This box also has a few 6X6 negatives. Also, the last log book I have covers photos 1744 to 2408.
1751 - This is Ned Bradley and his wife, this was taken sometime in November of 1954.
1756 - Ned won the 1st weeks prize. Doesn't say what it was for.
1760 - I think this guy is getting ready to blow something up. Doesn't give any details in the log book.
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These were all shot in the Rectifier building. These were shot on November 18, 1954, not much more information in the log book except the photographers were Pete Maddox and Don. A lot of different photographers listed in the log book, sometimes it's just a first name or initials.
1779 - This is where the electricity leaves the rectifier building to the pot lines.
1782 - Early computer modem?
1785 - Rectifier juice?
1800 - Pouring molten aluminum into a pot. I think they may be refining it further.
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They definitely must be refining the aluminum some more.
I once heard that the new pots that are used nowadays pour from the bottom to avoid having some brittle aluminum oxide mix in with the good stuff.
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Box 1801-1901
1802 - November 21, 1954, Carbon anodes in a pot with alumina added.
1804 - Looks like they are adding something to the alumina and mixing it.
1896 & 1898 - December 29, 1954. IBM Equipment Room, Payroll Department. I wonder what someone did for them to put up a sign that just says "THINK".
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More 6X6 negatives, shot on November 29, 1954.
1819 & 1821 - Congratulations to Ralph Pemmons on winning the 5th Week's Prize! Looks like he's showing his wife what he did to win the prize.
1822 - I guess this guy is showing his wife why he didn't win the 5th Week's prize. Looks like he broke something.
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New photo theme: a man kneeling in front of a woman, ostensibly showing her something, while another man stands by in the background. ;D
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I showed the pictures to my mom and she said that the one with the computer (1896) on the far wall looks a lot like the Burrows Business Machine she used when she worked at the Bank of Montreal.
The big form was the Bank accounting and the small cards on the left were the client cards
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New photo theme: a man kneeling in front of a woman, ostensibly showing her something, while another man stands by in the background. ;D
Some serious mansplaining going on there.
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I showed the pictures to my mom and she said that the one on the far wall looks a lot like the Burrows Business Machine she used when she worked at the Bank of Montreal.
The big form was the Bank accounting and the small cards on the left were the client cards
The one against the back wall looks like an IBM Type 82 Sorter. That model came out in 1949. At it's peak they had about 4,000 people working at this plant, that would be a lot of payroll to sort through.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/sorters.html (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/sorters.html)
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I'm talking about the other machine with a wide sheet in the middle and a small card on the left...
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I'm talking about the other machine with a wide sheet in the middle and a small card on the left...
That looks like an IBM 407 Accounting Machine. http://www.computercollector.com/cgi-bin/exec/compcol/menu-st.cgi?directory=/archive/ibm/pcaa/accounting&mode=2&image=407-p1 (http://www.computercollector.com/cgi-bin/exec/compcol/menu-st.cgi?directory=/archive/ibm/pcaa/accounting&mode=2&image=407-p1)
The machine to the left of it in photo 1896 is an IBM Type 521 Card Reader/Punch. https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102645462 (https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102645462)
I bet they had a really happy IBM salesman that year. Most of this stuff looks like 1949 models.
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I know my mom sometimes talks about how much she loved those machines.
She'd spend the whole day working on them and at the end of the day, she's put in it the large card, press a button and the thing would start printing like mad and fully balance the bank's accounting. And then she took the card out and it was YES, the whole sheet balances!
You don't have things like that with today's on demand computing.
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Box 1902-2000.
1905 - February 12, 1955. All it says in the log book is "Refining Cell". Looks like he's busting ingots out of the molds. The photographer is P. Maddux.
1911 - February 12, 1955. All it says in the log book is "Refining Cell Startup". The photographer is P. Maddux.
1916 and 1918 - March 2, 1955. New ambulance. Ambulances have come a long way since 1955.
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Some training department employee portraits. February 25, 1955.
1919 - R. Perkins
1921 - H. Hughes
1924 - J. Murry
1925 - E. Reeves
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1929 - March 24, 1955. Green Carbon Building
1944 - April 14, 1955. Pure Metal Section
1958 - April 14, 1955. D.C. Casting Construction. Looks like he's building forms to pour a concrete footer.
1963 and 1964 - Photos to show truss work for construction of pneumatic lube system. We were calling these structures pipe bridges. The pipe is covered in what's called TSI insulation. That's a friable asbestos material that was crumbling and falling on the ground. We encapsulated the pipe and removed it in sections. You can see the insulation on the pipes in these photos, they must have been moving a hot fluid through them. I think some were hot oil and some were steam. The sign says "Mead Reduction Plant Welcomes Western Customers of Kaiser Aluminum".
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1973 - April 22, 1955. Byron Congleton showing off his guns.
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I'm slowing down a bit getting through these because work is getting really busy but I'm going to keep at it when I can. These are from box 2001-2100.
2012 - August 1, 1955. Training class. I zoomed in where you can see the photographer left a box of Westinghouse No. 5 flash bulbs on the table.
2016 - August 12, 1955. Picture of the plant from a distance. It's a beautiful area around the plant, some of it is quite built up now but there is still a lot of farm land in that area.
2054 - October 7, 1955. This seems a bit out of place. The log book says S. & F. rock crushing equipment. I'm not sure what that has to do with the factory.
Edit: I think they are using the rock crusher to crush used carbon anode butts. They are probably testing a method for recycling the anode butts using a local rock crusher.
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2059 - October 10, 1955. Pouring metal from crucible.
2060 - October 10, 1955. Carrying metal from pot room. This one is cropped with tape.
I think these may have been for something like a training class as you can see they labeled items with letters.
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2074 - October 10, 1955. Pouring first sample.
2077 - October 10, 1955. Pouring start of first cast
2079 - October 10, 1955. Cast from machine platform
2081 - October 10, 1955. Crane pulling first two ingots.
It looks like these are all for something called DC Casting. It must be for something like a new customer or product. These look like the largest ingots they have made so far. It looks like the molds extend below the floor so they can pour into them and have room to pull them up and out of the casting.
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Would it be to naive for me to expect to see any people of colour due to when these pictures were made, the type of work being done and segregation laws of the time? Not meaning to start a discussion on race and politic on here, it was just something that I noticed and was wondering.
Box 2251-2300 - Irv, this is the first I found working in the factory.
There's a gap in the log book from number 2177 to 2293. It's as if they just forgot to log a bunch of photos. These are either from 1955 or 1956, that gap in the log book spans from October 18, 1955 to April 19, 1956.
2274 - Looks like they are pouring a crucible into ingot molds.
2276 - Looks like the same work area as 2274.
2289 - More of the large ingots from my previous post.
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Would it be to naive for me to expect to see any people of colour due to when these pictures were made, the type of work being done and segregation laws of the time? Not meaning to start a discussion on race and politic on here, it was just something that I noticed and was wondering.
Box 2251-2300 - Irv, this is the first I found working in the factory.
There's a gap in the log book from number 2177 to 2293. It's as if they just forgot to log a bunch of photos. These are either from 1955 or 1956, that gap in the log book spans from October 18, 1955 to April 19, 1956.
2274 - Looks like they are pouring a crucible into ingot molds.
2276 - Looks like the same work area as 2274.
2289 - More of the large ingots from my previous post.
Glad to see it wasn't a menial job that he was assigned, as it actually looks like he is part of the crew.
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Would it be to naive for me to expect to see any people of colour due to when these pictures were made, the type of work being done and segregation laws of the time? Not meaning to start a discussion on race and politic on here, it was just something that I noticed and was wondering.
Box 2251-2300 - Irv, this is the first I found working in the factory.
There's a gap in the log book from number 2177 to 2293. It's as if they just forgot to log a bunch of photos. These are either from 1955 or 1956, that gap in the log book spans from October 18, 1955 to April 19, 1956.
2274 - Looks like they are pouring a crucible into ingot molds.
2276 - Looks like the same work area as 2274.
2289 - More of the large ingots from my previous post.
Glad to see it wasn't a menial job that he was assigned, as it actually looks like he is part of the crew.
It looks like he's working with some serious equipment pouring molten aluminum into molds. The timing of the shot is interesting, it was right after Emmett Till was shot in Mississippi, August 28, 1955. Also about the same time that Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat, December 1, 1955. Makes you wonder if those events were on any of their minds then, right as the Civil Rights movement was really getting started in the US.
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Box 2301 - 2350.
2303 - Arpil 30, 1956, Hydraulic unit for dumping PR crucibles. I like the art work on the drum. The Celanese Corporation is still in business today.
These next 4 are more of the large ingots from previous posts. They must have been quite proud of them, they took photos of the whole process until they were loaded on the train.
2311 - May 18, 1956, sawing ingot for shipment.
2313 - May 18, 1956, putting on paper cover.
2315 - May 18, 1956, Hyster loading packaged ingot.
2316 - May 18, 1956, ingot loaded on test car GN67368.
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Some then and now shots.
2327 - The then shot has no entry in the log book but it looks like it was in June 1956. my now shot was taken with a Pentax Spotmatic using an Auto Tamron f/4.5 21mm lens. The film is Kodak Panatomic-X that expired 3/1963, developed in Beer. This crucible has been sitting in the same spot since 1956 or longer. I turned the wheel and it still tips like it's supposed to. It was surprisingly easy and smooth the turn the wheel.
2333 - June 11, 1956, New addition, West end of Chem lab building 41. North room upstairs. This was part of the chem lab in 1956, not a creepy dental office back then. I shared this on the weekend thread a few weeks ago. Photographed with a Leica IIf using a Leitz Summaron 3.5cm f/3.5 lens. The film is Kodak Max 400 shot redscale.
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I didn't know Celanese ever sold raw chemicals.
They were mostly (and still probably are) in the textile business. They made carpets and specialty fabrics that were hugely popular in the 60's and 70's.
They were the inventors of Naugahyde and Fortrel, the polyester fabric that is now infamous because of the leisure suit ;D
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I didn't know Celanese ever sold raw chemicals.
They were mostly (and still probably are) in the textile business. They made carpets and specialty fabrics that were hugely popular in the 60's and 70's.
They were the inventors of Naugahyde and Fortrel, the polyester fabric that is now infamous because of the leisure suit ;D
Are you telling me Naugahyde doesn’t come from a Naug?
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Pretty close. Though they did have a mascot.
Maybe they simply were secretly hearding them at a secret facility.
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Pretty close. Though they did have a mascot.
Maybe they simply were secretly hearding them at a secret facility.
That's funny, I didn't realize they had a mascot but I think I have seen that thing before.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nauga-belgian-velcro-and-other-synthetic-creatures-180964811/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nauga-belgian-velcro-and-other-synthetic-creatures-180964811/)
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When I first saw this, I said to myself that these were the days.
I don't know of any product who now has a physical mascot.
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Box 2351-2400. Looks like something broke.
2365 - July 9, 1956. Broken pillow block, damaged safety cage and broken V-Belts. In the zoom image you can see the upper half of the pillow block is gone, the bearing was ripped out of it. It says something about the cage bar being thrown about 20 feet. This machine that broke is called 69 Dixie.
2377 - July 23, 1956. Good thing they have this guy to put everything back together.
2379 - July 23, 1956. Pile of butts waiting repair of 69 Dixie. I'm guessing that 69 Dixie was used to crush spent anode butts for recycling into new anodes.
2380 - July 23, 1956. Butt wagons and butt pile.
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I'm not sure this has anything to do with the other mishap, there's no log book entries for these. They were all taken in July of 1956.
2385 - It looks like they are trying to straighten this part using that huge hydraulic ram.
2388 - I doubt that part is supposed to bent like that.
2389 - I think this photo is from before number 2385, that part on the right looks like it's bent. Note the drum holding up the hydraulic ram is buckling, not the safest setup. Photos were often numbered out of sequence when they were all taken on the same day. They probably assigned numbers to film holders and then just used grabbed whatever.
2400 - After spending a few months at this factory I got to know all the buildings quite well. These ones are all unrecognizable to me. Some buildings had already been demolished before I got there so this could have been one of them. Or, they were demolished a long time ago to make room for something else.
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On machines this size, when they broke it must have made a pretty incredible snapping sound.
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On machines this size, when they broke it must have made a pretty incredible snapping sound.
I'm sure there were all kinds of snaps, bangs, clanks and crashing sounds when those chunks of metal were flying around and bouncing off stuff. Not to mention whatever was going on inside the machine.
Box 2401-2450. The last log book I have only goes up to number 2408. We're probably still in 1956 here and I suspect that it probably goes into 1957 before the end. The negatives in this box were in pretty bad condition, some were so warped I couldn't get them flat for scanning. You will see some damage on them.
2418 and 2420 - Looks like they're getting that part straightened out.
2436 - Everyone was into classic cars back then ;D This is the first model of corvette, the C1 produced from 1953 to 1962. I'm not sure what specific year this one is but it is a very early one. I love the old corvettes, a guy in my neighborhood had a later model C1 that was in beautiful condition.
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As I'm sure you may have realized the carbon anodes are an important part of the production of aluminum. You need to use electricity to refine it but the temperatures are too high to use metal conductors. I'm sure a copper anode would just melt and contaminate the aluminum.
2437 - The anode train full of fresh anodes.
2439 and 2440 - These are the copper bars that attach to the carbon anodes and supply electricity to them. Looks like they are cleaning and preparing them for a fresh set of carbon anodes.
2440 - anodes in a pot with the white alumina powder placed around them.
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I found these next three photos interesting because it looks like they are doing stack testing for whatever gas is flowing in those pipes. This was long before the EPA and air emissions were not much of a concern so I'm curious what they are testing for. Years ago I ran a few soil treatment plants that basically cooked contamination out of soil by heating it. The EPA was very strict about our stack emission. We were required to first do a test burn where they conducted a stack test to make sure we could meet the emission requirements. Once we went into production we were required to monitor the stack with what's called Continuous Emission Monitoring (CEM) equipment. This was a bunch of sensors connected to the stack that fed data to computers in the control house. I had to constantly watch the CEM's along with hundreds of other things and balance the plant operation to both treat the soil and not exceed emissions. By the end of a 12 hour shift doing that you can imagine how tiring it would be. These photos brought back nightmares of that for me.
2410 - The short stacks to the left in this photo and the horizontal ones are the ones being tested in the photos below. These stacks are for the emissions coming from the pot line, that's where the worst contamination comes from at these smelters. It looks like they are testing the emissions before and after they go through some kind of treatment process. All of these stacks and most of the pipes were gone from the facility when I arrived.
2445 - The pipe over his head is drawing the sample out of the stack to his test equipment. This is the stack the emits to the atmosphere.
2449 - One of the horizontal pipes coming from the pot line. I think this goes to some kind of treatment process before going out the stack to the atmosphere.
2450 - Testing equipment. pumps to draw the sample from the stack and glassware to either collect the sample or conduct the test right there on site. In the zoom photo you can see that the sample is drawn into the glass tube and bubbled through a solution. Then it goes into the next glass tube and bubbles through another solution.
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I'm surprised that they did testing at all. In those days, everybody was essentially free to pollute the neighbor's air.
I remember when I was a kid, when we went to Grandma's, we used to drive through Montreal East which was mostly heavy chemical industries. We could smell the Union Carbide plant miles ahead. It was really stinky. Just thinking people actually worked and lived near that plant was mind boggling.
Now, they've cleaned-up the city and the stench is gone. I still think of it from time to time...
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I'm surprised that they did testing at all. In those days, everybody was essentially free to pollute the neighbor's air.
I remember when I was a kid, when we went to Grandma's, we used to drive through Montreal East which was mostly heavy chemical industries. We could smell the Union Carbide plant miles ahead. It was really stinky. Just thinking people actually worked and lived near that plant was mind boggling.
Now, they've cleaned-up the city and the stench is gone. I still think of it from time to time...
There used to be a large pulp mill in Tacoma, WA, everyone called it the Tacoma Aroma. It smelled like rotten eggs. Everyone knew to roll up the windows when you drove through. It's gone now but I guess if you live near something like that you get desensitized to the smell.
Several years ago I was doing a project in Eureka, Nevada. It had several smelters for various metals that were mined in the area. It was know as the Pittsburgh of the west because of all the air pollution stuck in the small valley. They built a large smoke stack up the side of a mountain, not free standing, to get the smoke out of the town. There are some remnants of it that you can still see on the mountain. I guess if your factory is killing everyone in town you probably did something regardless of the lack of regulations.
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Paper pulp definitely has that smell. We used to have family living in Trois-Rivières which is the paper making capital of the province. Haven't been there in decades but I remember that you could see logs streaming down the river. They would just float the wood all the way to the factory. And when there was a blockage, they would send some guys with long poles to walk on the floating logs and push them back in the current. Probably was the most dangerous job in the province at the time as there were countless accidents (most of them fatal). Still, labor was cheaper than changing things so the practice kept on going and going.
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Paper pulp definitely has that smell.
That's bringing back some unpalatable memories, Francois... Bowater's Kemsley paper mill by Milton Creek, near Sittingbourne where I spent my early years used to emit a foul smell... We'd return frequently to visit grandparents, and always had to wind up the car windows when we got close... We called it the "Milton Whiff".
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Box 2451-2500
2482 - This may explain why they were doing the testing in the last photos I posted. That's probably a scrubber system that they have for the exhaust from the pot room. The gas was probably corrosive and destroying their equipment. These bolts look pretty bad considering how old they are.
A few shots with zooms.
2452 - More construction, I did a zoom of this so you can see the construction company bus.
2480 - This small lunch room with no windows doesn't look like a great place to take a break. They drew a checker board on the table and are using washers for playing pieces.
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2484 - Let's gamble with your safety!
2500 and 2483 - Looks like they developed a conveyor system to pour ingots.
2461 - Train loaded with precious ingots. Before the smelting process was perfected aluminum was considered a precious metal, used mostly for jewelry.
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Box 2501... The last box of 4X5 negatives. Hopefully I didn't bore everyone to death with this but I enjoyed going thru these old photos. It's kind of an uneventful end, I think the earliest photos were the most interesting. After most of the factory construction ended and the excitement of a new factory faded the photos slowly turned more toward operational and quality control stuff.
This may be the end of the 4X5 negatives but there are some color 35mm photos that I will be sharing.
These last few photos are the new conveyor system they developed for casting ingots. These show the back end where they are removed and stacked for shipment.
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Brian, many thanks for this thread. It is a treasure.
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Whoa, some seriously good stuff here.
Thanks for taking the time...
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The color film was brought to me to scan by someone on the site. Not sure where they found them but these negatives are in bad condition. They were probably in one of the office buildings with smashed out windows being exposed to the elements the last few decades. There were a total 11 negatives in a plastic sleeve, 3 were multiple exposures. It looks like a fabrications shop with pictures of their new Black and Decker coring drill. Probably 1980's or 1990's.
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These are from one of the two slide carousels, looks like training to work on the Pot Line. I think these date from the 1980's or 1990's
2147 - The proper way to hold a stick.
2163 - Don't put your foot in here.
2165 - Installing the anodes
2174 - Looks like they re-designed the anodes since the 1950's
2190 - View of the pot line doesn't look like it has changed much since the 1950's
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Now let's recap our lesson.
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The non-conductive shoe part made me laugh a bit...
You just have thousands of volts flowing through those conductors, what could go wrong?
And for some reason I'm reminded of something my dad saw when he was working in the aircraft industry.
There was a foreman who was really annoying, always yelling at everyone. He wore construction boots with steel heels (those things existed in the early 70's). One day he was walking on mesh scaffolding boards (you know the ones made from a metal grid that you can see through?) yelling orders to everyone. One of the welder who was working just under him got tired of hearing him, so he reached with his electrode and tack welded his boots to the floor. Then everybody left leaving him to scream his head off...
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The non-conductive shoe part made me laugh a bit...
You just have thousands of volts flowing through those conductors, what could go wrong?
And for some reason I'm reminded of something my dad saw when he was working in the aircraft industry.
There was a foreman who was really annoying, always yelling at everyone. He wore construction boots with steel heels (those things existed in the early 70's). One day he was walking on mesh scaffolding boards (you know the ones made from a metal grid that you can see through?) yelling orders to everyone. One of the welder who was working just under him got tired of hearing him, so he reached with his electrode and tack welded his boots to the floor. Then everybody left leaving him to scream his head off...
When I was I college I worked on a concrete crew during the summer. We had foreman that was a complete jerk. One time when he went to use the portable toilet the forklift operator picked it up with the door against the forklift cage. He raised it about 20 feet in the air and left. Everyone else was too afraid to let him down because they thought they would get the blame. I think he was up there for over an hour. He was pretty angry when he came out. In my defense I didn't know how to operate the forklift, that's my excuse anyway.
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Lucky for him that they didn't just tip over the porta-potty ;D
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Lucky for him that they didn't just tip over the porta-potty ;D
Porta-potty's are all kinds of fun, especially when you put wheels on them. We use trailer mounted ones when we do the wildfire cleanup work. The crews are traveling all over the countryside to they need to take them with them. On one fire cleanup, in the span of a few weeks I had to talk about porta-potty protocol several times in front of about 250 people. One incident the wheel came off one in transit. Another incident the trailer detached from the truck on a highway, the police were involved in that one. The topper was someone driving off with someone in the potty. Luckily they had a radio to call for help. That one job made me a believer that it's not a good idea to put wheels on a toilet.
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These are from the second slide carousel. There's no documentation with these to date them but the following will help with that. I figure they are from the mid 1980's at the earliest, possibly into the 1990's. The plant shut down in 2000 so it's not likely to be after that date. I think this carousel was showing the degraded state of the plant, maybe this played into their decision to close.
2205 - Lunch room. The Rainier Beer poster on the back wall looks like 1980's vintage. By the way, that's the beer I use for developing film.
2209 and zoom - This was the best indicator of the date, I think that car is a mid 1980's Cadillac or some other GM car.
2253 - Junk food looks 1980's or later.
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2208 - Yuck
2216 - That piece of equipment is ancient if it's riveted together like that. The steel looks like it's completely rotted away.
2261 - The door has taken a beating.
2264 - Pot line building looks unchanged since the 1950's
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These are the last of the photos to post. There's plenty that I didn't post but they would be redundant or boring.
2263 - Someone didn't proceed with caution.
2268 - This guy looks guilty to me.
2269 - Damaged steps
2270 - Another pot line.
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Hey! We still have those urinals at the closest Walmart!
Same exact model.
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I recently posted about a Zeiss Ikon Baby Ikonta in the "I just picked up" thread http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=6181.msg136837#msg136837 (http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=6181.msg136837#msg136837). There was a roll of exposed Verichrome Pan film in the camera so I developed it in beer. The images are in pretty bad shape from age but you can make out what they are. The camera came from a seller in Minnesota, it looks like that may have been where they were taken. Judging by the cars in the photos they were probably taken in the 1970's. Only about half the roll was exposed but it was all wound onto the take up spool. maybe someone did that messing around with the camera or that's when the shutter died. I still need to work on that camera.
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A few more.
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The car looks an awful lot like a 1970 Dodge Monaco.
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Is anybody up for a bit of travel photos?
Years ago I got this big chocolate box full of Kodachrome slides.
All I know if that there are some pictures of Japan and Southeast Asia.
Who want to see some photos?
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Bring it on!
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OK, Here we go!
Lucky for me, the Kodachrome slides used to have a punched date on the back. This really helps in dating. But sadly there is absolutely no information about where these were taken.
These say SEP 7013. Somebody had written the number 20 in the corner. So I guess this is roll 20.
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I've been trying to find where the scary runway is located but haven't been able to.
From the set it seems it's in Thailand (looking at the costumes from the show) and the architecture of the small temple.
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It must be Thailand, your second shot is the Ananta Samakhom Throne Hall in Bangkok.
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Here are some more. Still processed Sep 7013.
But these were quite underexposed, so I added a bit of light back into them. Since they weren't scanned at high color depth, the results are a bit chunky.
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And here's some more.
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Here are some more.
The statue is a picture of Sir Thomas Jackson Bart. He was the third chief manager of the Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation and is responsible for financing the development if the colonial city.
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Is anyone up for some more?
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Oh wow, I love the tram!
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I think the scary runway is Hong Kong’s old airport.
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I've been trying to find that landing strip but haven't been able to. So I can't really say for sure.
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I was thinking Hong Kong Kai Tak too. This should take you to it on Google maps
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Hong+Kong/@22.3090604,114.1865068,14z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x3403e2eda332980f:0xf08ab3badbeac97c!8m2!3d22.3193039!4d114.1693611 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Hong+Kong/@22.3090604,114.1865068,14z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x3403e2eda332980f:0xf08ab3badbeac97c!8m2!3d22.3193039!4d114.1693611)
I landed there once and it had very short finals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx3Ccs5tKfw&ab_channel=AIRBOYD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx3Ccs5tKfw&ab_channel=AIRBOYD)
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That's probably it. It's the kind of place where if you have to take-off heavy you have an even greater chance of taking-off with heavy pants too...
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Here are some of Hong Kong.
Things sure have changed since these were taken. It's pretty fascinating to see how many low buildings there were just 50 years ago.
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Haven't had time to scan any today, so here are a few from yesterday's scan session.
It's pretty amazing to see a construction site where you actually have a view of the horizon and can see the mountains in that part of the world.
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And these are of a restaurant called the Sea Palace. It was a floating restaurant that goes back to at least the 1960's. It was just one of a number of floating restaurants in Hong Kong. This one was located in Aberdeen Harbor. There are rumors that it was sold to an Australian company and towed there. But nobody really knows for sure.
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I recently bought a few 4X5 contact print frames along with a few other items. Inside one of the frames there were these seven 6X9 negatives. They are a bit warped and dirty like they have been in there a long time. They look like they could be from the 1940's or earlier based on the clothing. There's no edge markings on the film so I can't get any information from that.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50815566961_ce7d5fe4c8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kqp4ER)Four Children and One Fish (https://flic.kr/p/2kqp4ER) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50815671942_c975ae9e3d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kqpASS)Young Boy on the Shore (https://flic.kr/p/2kqpASS) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50814821188_b03d516b03_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kqkeYG)Young Girl and Boy (https://flic.kr/p/2kqkeYG) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50815567171_7e132cc79b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kqp4Jt)Young Girl Handing Fruit (https://flic.kr/p/2kqp4Jt) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50815672122_1f860d150b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kqpAVY)Young Girl with Fruit (https://flic.kr/p/2kqpAVY) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50815567426_aa785b8f28_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kqp4NS)Young Boy Running (https://flic.kr/p/2kqp4NS) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50814821623_2153243622_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kqkf7c)Geese (https://flic.kr/p/2kqkf7c) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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I just showed the pictures to my mom and by looking at the style of the dress she says that they would be dated to the end of the 40's.
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These are from a Personal View-Master slide I recently acquired. This is the Boeing 367-80, also known as the Dash 80. This was the prototype that went into production as the commercial 707 and the military KC-135. This was probably around 1954 when the jet was first rolled out and used for testing. I'm pretty sure these were shot at Boeing Field in Seattle.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51853255665_58258a8d5c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n16unp)Boeing Dash 80 - Disembarking (https://flic.kr/p/2n16unp) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51852674723_66f490216c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n13vFa)Boeing Dash 80 - Taxi (https://flic.kr/p/2n13vFa) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51851629987_495c690e1a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mZXa7t)Boeing Dash 80 - Front (https://flic.kr/p/2mZXa7t) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51852598421_0274e4591d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n137ZB)Boeing Dash 80 - Cockpit (https://flic.kr/p/2n137ZB) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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A few more.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51851630187_5b80ba30d7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mZXaaV)Boeing Dash 80 - Engines (https://flic.kr/p/2mZXaaV) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51852674608_9a705c68fa_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n13vDb)Boeing Dash 80 - Front View of Engine (https://flic.kr/p/2n13vDb) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51852921674_3e08b31c28_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n14M5W)Boeing Dash 80 - On Runway (https://flic.kr/p/2n14M5W) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Probably was a test plane as there are very few windows on the side.
Also, the engines don't have the Pratt & Whitney sticker on them like they would have on the commercial versions.
But yeah, these are very early jet age. Those turbines are so small it makes you wonder how they could push the plane around.
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Probably was a test plane as there are very few windows on the side.
But yeah, these are very early jet age. Those turbines are so small it makes you wonder how they could push the plane around.
It was used by Boeing up until 1969 as a test platform. They fitted it with different engines and such. It's in the Boeing museum of flight in Seattle now. My father was a flight test engineer at Boeing some of the time it was still in service, I'll have to ask him if he flew on it.
In 1955 Alvin "Tex" Johnston barrel rolled this plane during Seafair in Seattle. There's a great story about that.
Johnston is best known for performing a barnstormer-style barrel roll maneuver with Boeing's pioneering 367-80 jet in a demonstration flight over Lake Washington outside Seattle, on August 7, 1955. Bill Allen, the then-president of Boeing, had invited many aero-space and airline executives to enjoy Seattle's Seafair aboard his yacht. Allen had asked Johnston to make a fly-by over Seafair to show off Boeing's new airliner. Johnston performed the barrel roll during the fly-by, reversed course with a chandelle, and performed a second barrel roll on the way back. The following Monday, Allen called Johnston to his office and asked what he thought he was doing, and responded with "I was selling airplanes". He kept his position as a test pilot, and did not get in legal trouble for his actions.
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My dad worked at Pratt & Whitney, so we got to know enough about the engines they had to make our heads roll off our shoulders!
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Correction to my post above, this airplane is in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum. I remember seeing it parked outside Boeing's facility when I was younger.
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Just found this picture.
I think from reading the writing on the red truck that it was taken near Aguilas in Spain. (the truck says Lineas Unidas de Express Aguila S.C.I.)
But I have absolutely no idea what the car in the front is. My guess is that it's a 1950's model... but I can't know for sure.
I'll need to re-scan this as Digital ICE really dropped the ball on this one!
EDIT: I managed to read on the hubcaps that this is a Ford.
And it looks like there is some sticker in the windshield that looks like it has the colors of the Italian flag...
Edit: OK, the car is a Ford Crestline that was made in '52, 53 and 54.
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These were shot on Snoqualmie Pass in 1933, I believe the car is a 1925 Studebaker. Snoqualmie Pass is a major interstate (I90) now, back then it was difficult travel. It can still be difficult during the winter, I've had a few white knuckle drives during snow storms. It's not far from where I live, I've done a lot of snowboarding at the ski areas up there and have to go over the pass often. These are scans of negatives that were shot on 122 film.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52058601137_43e029f410_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2njeWqz)Snoqualmie Pass 1933 (https://flic.kr/p/2njeWqz) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52059877774_0b3041b62b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2njmtVy)Parked on Snoqualmie Pass 1933 (https://flic.kr/p/2njmtVy) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Those are fantastic Bryan, they're like a little snapshot of time, they're that clear.
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And when you look at the road surface, you really see how gutsy those guys were.
It's either that or they used to live in Montréal 😂
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These are the photos that were in the Kodak Brownie Hawkeye Flash the I posted about in the "I just Picked Up" thread.
https://filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=6181.msg139956#msg139956 (https://filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=6181.msg139956#msg139956)
There were only the 4 shots on the roll, a few missed frames like they advanced too far. It looks like someone just advanced the film through the last half of the roll, probably screwing around with the camera. All the shots were take of a Cocker Spaniel in the house using the flash. The film is Kodak Verichrome Pan (V-620). I developed it in Rodinal 1:50 for 10 minutes with Benzotriazole as an anti-fogging agent.
I believe these were taken in the late 1950's. There are a few clues that make me think it was around that time, possibly later. Kodak Verichrome Pan film was manufactured from 1956 to 1995, so no earlier than 1956. The batteries that were in the flash were RAY-O-VAC brand with the logo that was used up to 1957. One of the photos has a television in the background, a Philco Transitone model 2004 which was sold in 1957 and 1958. The decor in the house looks very 1950's, it still looked that way when I was there last weekend but in much rougher condition.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52356200386_6559c08ab9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLxdj7)Cocker Spaniel in Chair (https://flic.kr/p/2nLxdj7) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52356593485_41b6c125f4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLzeaF)Cocker Spaniel in Kitchen (https://flic.kr/p/2nLzeaF) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52356410853_396197e69b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLyhSR)Cocker Spaniel on Bed (https://flic.kr/p/2nLyhSR) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52355220327_13a3f11956_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLsbYx)Cocker Spaniel in Living Room (https://flic.kr/p/2nLsbYx) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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That was definitely a 50's look... but sadly not the best of the 50's...
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I looked at the photos for the ad for the estate sale, there are a few things in the photos that were at the sale. The table next to the chair in the first photo, the tall ash tray behind the dog in the second photo and the Afghan blanket on the sofa in the last photo.
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One thing's for certain, they sure didn't like to change things!
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That was definitely a 50's look... but sadly not the best of the 50's...
Hmmm. That's pretty much like my house is now. I like the chintzy chair covers, the very practical plastic table cover, the bed spread with all the little bobbles on it and the flowery carpet.
Just kidding ;-) No wonder the dog looks depressed.
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;D ;D ;D
The owner probably died of boredom...
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I just bought a bunch of used books and in one of them, there was a print!
The photo is of a car I've never seen here in Canada. Anybody got an idea of what it actually is?
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That's a Volvo 1800ES, the estate version of the Swedish sports car P1800 produced from 1961 to 1973. Roger Moore drove the P1800 in the British crime series "The Saint". Here it is.
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Wow!
No wonder I've never seen one around here!
I do remember a bit "The Saint" running on TV when I was a kid, but I never could have identified the car.
We mostly had the 2 and 3 box volvos around here (a.k.a. the bricks)
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We watched it on B&W TV in the late sixties and all of us boys wanted to have a car like that. Later on there was the Bergerac series with John Nettles, located on Jersey. He drove a 1949 Triumph Roadster 2000 Convertible. And then there was Morse in his MKII Jaguar.
Talking about Roger Moore, in 2006 I found myself sitting right opposite to him in the business lounge in Frankfurt Airport. I pretended not to recognize him. ;D
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On the subject of the Volvo, actually had one in 1966 and remember driving back to London from St Ives when the exhaust sprang a leak and the fumes were funnelled straight into the cockpit - got as far as Bodmin before it was either stop and find a garage or pass out!!
In those days one of my local watering holes was 'The Railway' in Station Road, Edgware (North West London) and, being close to Elstree Studios, was also one of the watering holes of both Roger Moore (The Saint) and Patrick McGoohan (Danger Man). Nice chaps both. My first paid photographic job was the opening of the Top Rank Bowl by Roger Moore, who was accompanied by Luisa Mattioli and, for some reason, Terry Downes - a professional boxer. Good times.
Take care,
Mike.
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I can't say I've ever had a chance to rub shoulders with anything more than a few local celebrities.
But on the car side, I must say that they really knew how to make beautiful cars back in those days.
European models were always so far ahead of the usual GM and Ford models that littered the streets around here. The only good thing I can say about the land yachts we had when I was a kid is that they were really really comfortable. As for the rest, there wasn't much good to be said about them.
But yesterday I saw a small MG in pristine condition, a Maserati Bi-Turbo for sale with only 19,000km on the clock (lucky this thing hasn't burst into flames as of yet) and a Chevrolet Impala from the 60's in avocado green...
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For anyone interested...
About six months ago I found an old cigar box full of color slides at a second hand shop. It was hard to really see what they were at the time, but I saw groups of people and a few police so I thought why not... there only a dollar. As it turns out, when I finally managed to scan them, they were of the battle for peoples park in Berkeley CA c. 1969.....AKA “Bloody Thursday”, 15 May.
I recently loaded them up on one of my old flickr pages, if anyone is interested.
Must have been quite a time.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133374317@N08/
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For anyone interested...
About six months ago I found an old cigar box full of color slides at a second hand shop. It was hard to really see what they were at the time, but I saw groups of people and a few police so I thought why not... there only a dollar. As it turns out, when I finally managed to scan them, they were of the battle for peoples park in Berkeley CA c. 1969.....AKA “Bloody Thursday”, 15 May.
I recently loaded them up on one of my old flickr pages, if anyone is interested.
Must have been quite a time.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133374317@N08/
That’s an incredible find, thanks for sharing!
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That's just incredible, historical photos in a cigar box! Thanks for sharing! The second hand shops we have here are so totally curated that they're a total bore, no fun anymore. They're just sterile.
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These were from a roll of Kodak Super XX I found at an estate sale. It was already developed and had some damage from age. I was able to clean up most of the photos. Based on the content of the images I think it dates to around 1955. The cars and trucks are early 1950's. The thing that helped the most in dating it was the image in the Coca Cola billboard. https://www.adbranch.com/coca-cola-magazine-ads-from-1950s/coca-cola_almost_everyone_appreciates_the_best_1955-2/ (https://www.adbranch.com/coca-cola-magazine-ads-from-1950s/coca-cola_almost_everyone_appreciates_the_best_1955-2/)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53348167175_9af86bdb6f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2phcitM)Three Marines on the town (https://flic.kr/p/2phcitM) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53347716116_2b6bfb0f06_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ph9ZoU)Two Marines on the town (https://flic.kr/p/2ph9ZoU) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53347947668_c86001086d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2phbbeb)Three Marines posing with a truck (https://flic.kr/p/2phbbeb) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53348167170_696a10edfb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2phcitG)Teo Marines posing with a truck (https://flic.kr/p/2phcitG) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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More of the marines. I'm not sure what base this is, The truck looks like an International L-190.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53346842782_48509f26c3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ph5vMq)Marines posing with a truck (https://flic.kr/p/2ph5vMq) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53348039569_6c76f3f89f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2phbDxF)Marine posing with a truck pulling a bus trailer (https://flic.kr/p/2phbDxF) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53348039564_2ebae2acbd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2phbDxA)Marine posing with trucks pulling bus trailers (https://flic.kr/p/2phbDxA) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53346842802_aef107eb4a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ph5vML)Marines out of uniform (https://flic.kr/p/2ph5vML) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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This was also on the roll, family eating desert. I believe this was in Missouri, with a little research I found the Hy-Klas food brand was from a chain of grocery stores there.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53347716256_1e58f4947e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ph9Zrj)Family eating desert (https://flic.kr/p/2ph9Zrj) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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One of the things I like the most when looking at old photos is looking at the cars and buildings.
😊
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One of the things I like the most when looking at old photos is looking at the cars and buildings.
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Those are some of the best things for dating a photo, plus advertising and branding. That International truck was a difficult one, there's not a lot of information on that model. I'm just guessing that it's the L-190, there are a few different models that look the same. Plus I couldn't find any reference to the military using those models. The tow behind military busses are another thing that couldn't find any information on. Maybe they were a concept being tested by the Marines.
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The tow behind military busses are another thing that couldn't find any information on. Maybe they were a concept being tested by the Marines.
I guess it was possibly something custom made to replace busses.
The round corners look vaguely airstream like.
I did find this which looks a lot like this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailer_bus)
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I found these on a developed roll of Kodak Plus-X film with a 1962 manufacture date code. They were is a box of film stuff I picked up at an estate sale. The estate belonged to a retired air force navigator. I think these may have been shot on the Kodak Retina IIIc that I picked up at the sale. These are pictures of navigators in a Douglas C-47, a military version of the DC-3 which are still in civilian service today.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523398455_6e6903f7a1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pxFpCK)Douglas C-47 Navigation (https://flic.kr/p/2pxFpCK) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523398470_719f6f7d6b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pxFpD1)Navigating Douglas C-47 (https://flic.kr/p/2pxFpD1) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53522073107_c0db7746e6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pxyBDV)Douglas C-47 Navigator (https://flic.kr/p/2pxyBDV) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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A few more. I'll post more photos from the sale later.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523286629_ab035db213_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pxEQoH)Douglas C-47 roof dome viewing (https://flic.kr/p/2pxEQoH) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523398340_2293b0afd1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pxFpAL)USAF Crew next to Douglas C-47 (https://flic.kr/p/2pxFpAL) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53522970756_db674253df_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pxDduC)U.S. Air Force Navigators at the beach (https://flic.kr/p/2pxDduC) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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These were from a batch of slides that look like they were a presentation to the U.S. Air Force to sale aircraft. Like an analog Power Point Presentation.
Soldiers emerging from a C-130 Hercules on a dirt runway.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53527052682_ef7d1d5385_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2py18UE)C-130 Hercules (https://flic.kr/p/2py18UE) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
Unloading Jeeps from a C-141 Starlifter
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53528384425_451b1e7582_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2py7XMK)C-141 Starlifter with Jeeps (https://flic.kr/p/2py7XMK) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
Loading cargo onto a C-141 Starlifter
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53528130553_a4d3242f47_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2py6EjD)Loading C-141 Starlifter (https://flic.kr/p/2py6EjD) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Parachuting cargo from a C-141 Starlifter.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53527052612_192643212b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2py18Ts)C-141 Starlifter Cargo Drop (https://flic.kr/p/2py18Ts) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
Artist rendering of the U.S. Cavalry charging from a transport plane.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53527952351_c39a876511_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2py5Kmc)Cavalry (https://flic.kr/p/2py5Kmc) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
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Cavalry charging form a transport plane?
I wonder who dreamed this one up!
Just imagine the smell after a long haul 😆
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A few more. I'll post more photos from the sale later.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523286629_ab035db213_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pxEQoH)Douglas C-47 roof dome viewing (https://flic.kr/p/2pxEQoH) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523398340_2293b0afd1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pxFpAL)USAF Crew next to Douglas C-47 (https://flic.kr/p/2pxFpAL) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53522970756_db674253df_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pxDduC)U.S. Air Force Navigators at the beach (https://flic.kr/p/2pxDduC) by Bryan Chernick (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60348236@N07/), on Flickr
The name Smith, Thomas is on one of those bags of the men squatting ....might be worth investigating. I did a brief search and there are a few Thomas smiths, but you might be better at nailing a name to the photo...would be cool.
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The name Smith, Thomas is on one of those bags of the men squatting ....might be worth investigating. I did a brief search and there are a few Thomas smiths, but you might be better at nailing a name to the photo...would be cool.
I saw that name but figured there could be thousands of Tom Smiths. I do have information on the person who’s estate these photos came from.
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/news-herald/name/richard-virant-obituary?id=38330913 (https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/news-herald/name/richard-virant-obituary?id=38330913)
https://archive.storycorps.org/interviews/kim-virant-and-richard-virant-2/ (https://archive.storycorps.org/interviews/kim-virant-and-richard-virant-2/)