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astrobeck

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if you like "whole" grain
« on: March 26, 2018, 05:40:25 PM »
A friend sent me an expired roll of Lucky 120 film to try out and mercy me....
I like a bit of grain, but this is whole grain!
Dunked it in caffenol for 7.5 minutes, and the stuff is curlier than a piglets tail, twisting all about.
anyway, enjoy!
Zero Image 2000 pinhole

Anyone else had a big grain experience with Lucky films?
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BernardL

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2018, 08:28:18 PM »
Call it pointillist (Seurat, Signac) and sell it for $2000.
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astrobeck

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2018, 08:44:13 PM »
Hey, you might be on to something..if I manage that I'll send you a commission... ::)
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Francois

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2018, 09:11:57 PM »
Yikes!
This is on 120? Just imagine what it would be like on 35mm...
You don't even get grain this huge on Minox when using  400 ISO film...

Unbelievable....
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Bryan

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2018, 09:54:17 PM »
Another way to get grain like that is to develop Kodak Gold in beer.

Grainy Snow by Bryan Chernick, on Flickr
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Klaus

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2018, 10:54:52 PM »
I may have have shared this before Shanghai GP - Reflections - GW690iii - bonus backing paper effect!
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astrobeck

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2018, 01:41:10 AM »
that is a fabulous photo Klaus! I love that grain in this instance quite a lot.
It suites the photo perfectly.  8)

Was this devv'd in caffenol?
Do you think it's a caffenol thing, or is it just the nature of the film?  I'm very curious!

Beck
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John Robison

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2018, 03:57:23 PM »
Every party needs a pooper so I guess it's me ;D
I don't think that is grain, but a physical damage to the emulsion of some kind. Reticulation perhaps?
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astrobeck

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2018, 04:44:43 PM »
Hey pooper!
I wondered about reticulation and I have managed to get that in the past...but isn't reticulation from using different temperatures among the developer, stop and fix?

Also to me the emulsion of this one does look different than the reticulated ones I've had in the past...so are there different degrees of reticulation?

I'm curious as I'd truly like to know...besides, if it is indeed reticulation, then I can probably make that happen on demand.
Otherwise, I'm going to hoard Lucky film and hope the grain stays wholesome.
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Francois

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2018, 05:11:09 PM »
Yeah, reticulation is a temperature related thing. It only happens in one direction (from very hot to very cold).
You can achieve the result even after development if you didn't use a hardening fixer. Just heat up the film in water at around 110°F for a few minutes and then plunge in ice water for a few seconds.
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astrobeck

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2018, 05:26:21 PM »
so...it's basically an expansion and contraction thing with the emulsion not being able to keep up? 
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Francois

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2018, 08:51:07 PM »
Yes, that's exactly it.
The shock makes the emulsion crack and that's what gives it this appearance. You can clearly see the micro lines where the emulsion cracked.
I also read that you can even feel it with your fingers!
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Klaus

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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2018, 09:09:55 PM »
Quote from: astrobeck on March 27, 2018, 01:41:10 AM
that is a fabulous photo Klaus! I love that grain in this instance quite a lot.
It suites the photo perfectly.  8)

Was this devv'd in caffenol?
Do you think it's a caffenol thing, or is it just the nature of the film?  I'm very curious!

Beck

This was done in Ilfosol, normal dev at 20C. This must have been a very bad batch and from the discussions I take it it's not grain.
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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2018, 05:03:22 AM »
I get less grain with 110 film in my Diana and Pentax cameras.  I love grain, but that is rather nasty
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Re: if you like "whole" grain
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2018, 03:10:59 PM »
Looks more like 60 grit sandpaper  ;D
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