Topic: 120 to 35mm thingy

[Verian]

Saw this on ebay (via a facebook group). Has anybody used one of these, and, well, why? What are the results like?

It seems a handy thing but I'm not really sure why I would want to use it.

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/281625375875?_mwBanner=1

[Verian]

Found this,https://jameslindnerexperimental.wordpress.com/2013/01/16/35mm-film-in-medium-format-camera/
Looks worth an experiment

[Fluminian]

Saw this on ebay (via a facebook group). Has anybody used one of these, and, well, why? What are the results like?

It seems a handy thing but I'm not really sure why I would want to use it.

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/281625375875?_mwBanner=1

I have bought this "thingy" and it's  not working so I found this one
  and  I hope I can finally use it on my P6 for some sprockety panos.

[jojonas~]

I got a guy here in sweden to print these for me
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:323120

worked nicely in my yashica tlr but was too tight for my agfa 6x9 folder. I'll probably try filing them down a bit to fix that.

[jojonas~]

ohyeah, as you can see I asked for two pairs so I could use an empty 35mm canister for the taking side.
that way I don't need a dark bag to retrieve the film.

[KevinAllan]

I have the one shown by the OP; it's loaded with some redscaled Agfa Vista in a Mamiya RZ67 but haven't had the right combination of time and sunshine to shoot  it yet.

[edthened]

Och a bought mine frae dis guy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/35mm-to-120-film-spool-adapter-/111596685128? in Portugal an ther awfie braw ...............an ther awfie, awfie, awfie cheep, so ther   

[zapsnaps]

There are two advantages to this thingy - one is the sprocket holes and the other is that some 135 films are not available in 120 format - but with this thingy, they sorta are.

[zapsnaps]

Verian: I've just bought one - thanks for the tip. There is a third use for the thingy, now I've thought about it. If I flip my Blad on it's side (slightly counter-intuitive with a square format camera), I'll have WideBlad for landscapes. Or at least, that's how I hope they will read. I think the format will 'trick' most viewer's eyes into believing they are seeing a wide angle view, when it will actually just be an auto-cropped 80mm view.

[Indofunk]

I have the one shown by the OP; it's loaded with some redscaled Agfa Vista in a Mamiya RZ67 but haven't had the right combination of time and sunshine to shoot  it yet.

Since orientation isn't important with 120 film (both top & bottom of the spool look the same), can't you just flip the 135 film upside down and it's automatically redscaled for you?

[limr]

I got a guy here in sweden to print these for me
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:323120

worked nicely in my yashica tlr but was too tight for my agfa 6x9 folder. I'll probably try filing them down a bit to fix that.

I got one of those doohickies, too. Someone on another forum printed out one for me. I used it in the Lubitel. I posted some pictures in this thread: http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=7646.0

Here are a few more on Flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/search/?tags=sprocketholes&sort=relevance&user_id=51692918%40N05


rs Road by limrodrigues, on Flickr

[Hungry Mike]

I've used them - I got mine (and some for McDuff & SLVR at the same time though I don't think they've used them) from here:
http://pinholeprinted.com/order/35mm-film-to-120-spool-adapter/

As others have mentioned, I've used them to put unique 35mm through 120 cameras. In my case I've used them in my Bencini Koroll II, a camera which I like but don't necessarily want to put good film through or at least film I don't want to entirely waste. I found them too tight for the McDuff's borrowed Fuji GS645.

Those ones Fluminian linked to look a little better built - description says they are made of metal rather than the plastic the printed ones are made of...

[Sandeha Lynch]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, you can always make your own:



That particular set was made for using 120 film in a Kodak 3a Autographic, but I have used the same sort of old-spool cobble for 35mm in an Ensign Fulvue:

[jharr]

This seems overly complex. I have done this in my Holga and Mat 124G with just a couple of pieces of foam to hold the 35mm canister in place (roughly centered).

[Kai-san]

Some of the old TLR's actually came with adapters for 35mm film. This one is from a Meopta Flexaret IV, and had an added feature with different size frames. There are two different size square and a panorama frame. But you do not get to see the sprocket holes.........

[Francois]

And I think yashica did make one with such a feature too...

[Bryan]

There's also one for a Rolleiflex, it's call the Rolleikin 35mm back.

http://www.marriottcameras.co.uk/instructions/rolleikin_back/with_pictures.htm

[jharr]

And I think yashica did make one with such a feature too...

The Yashica kit came with the 635 model. I'm not sure if it would work with any other model. There must be a mechanism for altering the length of the wind since you would only want to wind the 36+2mm.

[Francois]

There probably was an internal switch that was linked to the film gate mask... I'd have to check Butkus to know how it worked.

EDIT:
I just did and I was very surprised by the system they used!
http://www.butkus.org/chinon/yashica/yashica_635/yashica_635.htm

The 35mm can uses two bushing like spacers to fit the winding system and a special take-up spool. To have the correct film advance, the camera uses two advance wheels: one on the right for 120 and one on the left for 35mm. The 35mm winder also acts as a 120 film spool holder. You turn the knob until it stops, take the photo, press the 35mm film advance release button (just like on an Argus) and move to the next frame. When you want to rewind, you use the bottom film spool holder button to wind the film back.

Ingenious but a rather clumsy solution that lacks a lot of elegance.

[Bryan]

Another option is to tape 35mm film to some 120 backing paper.  Advancing it by the numbers would be easy.

[KevinAllan]

I have the one shown by the OP; it's loaded with some redscaled Agfa Vista in a Mamiya RZ67 but haven't had the right combination of time and sunshine to shoot  it yet.

Since orientation isn't important with 120 film (both top & bottom of the spool look the same), can't you just flip the 135 film upside down and it's automatically redscaled for you?

yes, that is what I did -  a very easy way to get redscale. I'm hoping that redscale + pano + sprocket holes will make me really hip without paying for a Sprocket Rocket !
 

[charles binns]

Why?

[Ed Wenn]

Because?

[Cadha13]

I had last year simply made them out some 120 spools and attached them to the film canisters. I also had a 220 back for the RB67 that I was never going to use (came with the camera "kit" from Adorama), so I made a simple panoramic mask from an 3x5 index card and taped it to the opening. The take up is another 35mm canister that I did that same like the feed side.

House On Buena Vista by Cadha13, on Flickr

I could always just crop from the 6x7 negative, but I had some spare stuff laying around and had some fun with it.

[Skorj]

And I think yashica did make one with such a feature too...

And Ricohflex, it was called a Color Back:

http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=777.0

[jojonas~]

There probably was an internal switch that was linked to the film gate mask... I'd have to check Butkus to know how it worked.

EDIT:
I just did and I was very surprised by the system they used!
http://www.butkus.org/chinon/yashica/yashica_635/yashica_635.htm

The 35mm can uses two bushing like spacers to fit the winding system and a special take-up spool. To have the correct film advance, the camera uses two advance wheels: one on the right for 120 and one on the left for 35mm. The 35mm winder also acts as a 120 film spool holder. You turn the knob until it stops, take the photo, press the 35mm film advance release button (just like on an Argus) and move to the next frame. When you want to rewind, you use the bottom film spool holder button to wind the film back.

Ingenious but a rather clumsy solution that lacks a lot of elegance.

thanks! you can see in my shot that I have the yashica 635. I just couldn't bother to figure out how the 35mm mode worked so I shot it as a 120 roll twice. not so elegant either maybe

but I like that the yashica 635 has framelines for 35mm  so that helped with composing

[hookstrapped]

I'm looking for something that does the reverse.

[Verian]

Bought a couple, not from the OP but a recommended one further down, so thanks

[jojonas~]

I'm looking for something that does the reverse.

medium format film in a 35mm camera?

I got a guy here in sweden to print these for me
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:323120

worked nicely in my yashica tlr but was too tight for my agfa 6x9 folder. I'll probably try filing them down a bit to fix that.

a note: it didn't work so nicely as I hoped, using the 120 winder. my friend who deved it told me it was all just a long mess of frame overlaps.

oh well, I'll just have to take out my test roll and see how it works with the back open

[Sandeha Lynch]

Yep. I count the frames through with a marker pen, in half turns because it varies as the roll goes down.

[k.hendrik]

I think this is the cheapest solution and fits every 120 spool camera




and this is the most expensive one; Dutch law inforcement used this back an d I got the last one from the shelf in 2009.

[Verian]

The ones I ordered arrived, with a nice note

[jharr]

I suppose you could use non-perforated film with these if you didn't want the sprocket holes, but just a panoramic. I have some expired Konica Pro 35mm non-perf. PM me if you want to trade for a roll.

James